We will get to see Haruka and Usagi's kiss?

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SakuyamonX said:
meekxthree said:
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Oh well, it won't matter once we get to Dream considering there's one act that's literally just Outers Family Fun Time, and pretty much builds on the relationships between Haruka, Michiru, Setsuna and Hotaru. I'm sure a lot of fans of HaruXMichi will be happy to see that. :)
Although some people will not even be satisfied with that. But that's a fandom for you.
 
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You have to remember that the manga and anime were made in the 90's, a time when gay people were still seen as "other people". There was nothing legal for them, with the exception of not immediately being sent to the nearest insane asylum.
What a nice progress we made since those scary times! These days it's completely different, and nobody would poke a finger at you for acting differently and not fitting our definition of correct sexual behavior, right? We don't have any "other people" already whom we want to send to the nearest insane asylum for daring to offend our definition of the only correct and the only allowed sexual behavior, right? :P

Neon Genesis said:
As a gay male Sailor Moon fan, I thought the 90s anime portrayal of Zoisite and Kunzite's relationship was offensive
kamen_glider said:
As a lesbian woman am I allowed to be offended about it
^ :oh:
Though you make it trollishly, I agree with your point. These days, I'd get called a bigot for saying "that's ok" to such things... That makes me very unhappy.
 
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Also, I saw a lot of people say that they were expecting the kiss and knew it was going to happen because of the manga, but still felt uncomfortable watching it because of the problems associated with it.
I think it's okay for both the kiss to happen and for people to feel uncomfortable with it, because it should be seen as a threat; similar to them attacking the Inners next arc. In fact, I'd say this goes with most of Usagi's sudden kisses. Mamoru's kiss was double sided; one part foreshadows their past love life, and the other shows how morally ambiguous he is at that point (highlighted by Luna interrupting him). Meanwhile Demande's kiss was shown to highlight his villainy and dangerous obsession with Neo Queen Serenity. Haruka's kiss is a slightly more extreme version of Mamoru's kiss, I think. At this point, we're supposed to know nothing about them, and they act as these anti-heroes for most of the arc.

With that being said, I'm so glad there are a lot of people here who enjoy and appreciate Haruka and Michiru for more than just being "the lesbians." Those two are great and they deserve to be recognized for more than just that. :P
 

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I think the most you could say is that the kiss was an unnecessary plot device to create more shoujo romance drama but I think Naoko intended this to make Haruka seem more mysterious rather than predatory and I don't think she intended it to be seen as mean spirited. I think it's at least nowhere near as mean spirited as the way the 90s anime had Haruka and Michiru back stab Usagi and murder Setsuna and Hotaru in the Stars anime for the sake of the greater good.
 

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meekxthree said:
I do get what you're saying SakuyamonX. I was actually kind of scared they were going to rewrite bits of the manga to include alot more HarukaxMichiru because the ending made their relationship look like a huge focus. I would like to clarify, I am not saying any LGBT relationships shown in media are ever bad, or different, or should be treated differently. What I'm saying is I don't want Neptune and Uranus' personalities to be devalued by their relationship status. I'm so happy there is a gay couple in Sailor Moon, it's so great that there's representation for that, but at the same time it feels like you can't think of Uranus without thinking of Neptune too. It's hard to see them as individuals characters rather than just "the lesbians". In the ED they really seem to be pushing the togetherness, but in the episodes so far it seems to be okay. I mean, we don't think of Sailor Moon and instantly think "the one in love with Tuxedo Mask". I mean, at least I don't, I'm not sure about others. I've brought up this particular topic before this season was out, but the ED really reminded me of my issue with Haruka and Michiru's assumed personalities.
How is celebrating their relationship and giving them focus devaluing them? I think it is quite the contrary I think it is celebrating their love just like they celebrate Usagi and Mamoru's love. Focus on Usagi and Mamoru doesn't devalue them as a couple or make them lose their individuality neither would it for Haruka and Michiru. Quite the contrary it would only humanize them and show how beautiful their love is. I would rather they have rewrote bits of the manga to include more of their love instead of having Haruka cheat on Michiru with no consequences.
 
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I always saw the flirting Haruka and Michiru did with others to be totally fine because they are super secure in their relationship with each other. They are soulmates and totally devoted to each other and both know it. They act playfully jealous sometimes but never actually doubt each other.
They both seem to use flirting as a way to mess with and confuse others. It's more mean to the person they are flirting with than to each other because they draw out feelings from the other person, but in the end, they have someone they care about much, much more.

I always saw Haruka's kiss to Usagi as "Awww you're so cute and naive I wanna eat you up!" and not "I'm so attracted to you I'm gonna cheat on Michiru and not tell her".
 

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MariaTenebre said:
How is celebrating their relationship and giving them focus devaluing them? I think it is quite the contrary I think it is celebrating their love just like they celebrate Usagi and Mamoru's love. Focus on Usagi and Mamoru doesn't devalue them as a couple or make them lose their individuality neither would it for Haruka and Michiru. Quite the contrary it would only humanize them and show how beautiful their love is. I would rather they have rewrote bits of the manga to include more of their love instead of having Haruka cheat on Michiru with no consequences.
Because their individuality is hardly written about. Haruka is masculine and charismatic and Michiru is mysterious and graceful. That's basically the majority of what you can say about them regarding their own personalities. I love that they're together, they're adorable together and they suit each other, but I don't think you should identify anyone by their relationship status. I could write essays upon essays about each Senshi's individual personality, but when it comes to Haruka or Michiru, I feel as though half of their personality would be associated with their lover. That's not good characterisation IMO. I actually think it's worse to have lesbian characters without any in-depth individuality than to have no LGBT relationships at all. I'm not saying that Haruka and Michiru have no personality, but in general, especially with the fandom, they've been devalued to just "the lesbians". If you like Haruka and Michiru at all, it's easy to understand why this sucks. I love their characters, so I don't like to see them just being called "the lesbians", there's so much more to them than that.
 
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Idk. Sailor Moon Openings are so spoiler-fied. We already see super sailor moon & she doesnt come til weeks later. Pluto is in the opening as well. :lol:

Hm, that kiss looks like it's on the cheek & not her lips even though it's dead on the lips in the manga. I really don't see Haruka as being this evil butch lesbian, just an aggressive female fascinated by Usagi.

I still don't see how Haruka is cheating on Michiru though. That kiss on the cheek seems pretty harmless.

To be fair, if I was in UsagiUsagi's shoes (boots) Id be shocked and pull away as well. The comment that Haruka stated earlier was very intimidating & then all of a sudden, she swishes down and kisses..Hahaha.Id back away as well in shock.

Im wondering if all this is a part of their plan. I bet Neptune knew what Haruka did. Their bond is strong like that. If Haruka lies, Michiru will just use Submarine Reflection so that Haruka's lips will start glowing...busted... :lol:

Meanwhile, lets pray that the Outers Attacks aren't generic 90s rehash energy planets.
 

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I'm not expecting any, but I wouldn't rule them out adding little moments between Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune or Haruka and Michiru. Even in the last episode, they added tiny moments that weren't in the manga and even expanded a bit on Eudial's fight. It's not impossible.
 

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SakuyamonX said:
I'm not expecting any, but I wouldn't rule them out adding little moments between Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune or Haruka and Michiru. Even in the last episode, they added tiny moments that weren't in the manga and even expanded a bit on Eudial's fight. It's not impossible.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'd love to see it because I'd fangirl crazy hard. I just hope there's enough characterisation in the manga canon to balance that out. Unfortunately that's not one of the manga's super strong points at times but we'll see.
 

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meekxthree said:
SakuyamonX said:
I'm not expecting any, but I wouldn't rule them out adding little moments between Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune or Haruka and Michiru. Even in the last episode, they added tiny moments that weren't in the manga and even expanded a bit on Eudial's fight. It's not impossible.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'd love to see it because I'd fangirl crazy hard. I just hope there's enough characterisation in the manga canon to balance that out. Unfortunately that's not one of the manga's super strong points at times but we'll see.
Judging from the manga, Haruka gets a good amount of individual development due to her strong relationship with Usagi through out this arc. Michiru unfortunately becomes wallpaper after the next act. ^_^'

(Luckily, we get to see more of her personality in Dream and Stars. She's a lot more goofier than Anime!Michiru so it will be interesting to see how people react when we get to those two arcs.)
 
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I don't want to be rude here,but it seems like people in fandom.Only like Haruka,and Micheru cause there in relationship. Not saying all,but some.And I think that its sad. Its like do you really like the character,or do you like just the fact there minority?
 

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imaginationgirl said:
I don't want to be rude here,but it seems like people in fandom.Only like Haruka,and Micheru cause there in relationship. Not saying all,but some.And I think that its sad. Its like do you really like the character,or do you like just the fact there minority?
It's an important relationship for a lot of LGBT people as even now there's still very few positive, same sex relationships. It does bother me when straight fans fetishize them, but there a quite a number of them who are respectful (Aurora Peachy, for example, loves them, but is never like "OMG LESBIANS!!!!"), and it's nice to see people get excited over LGBT representation whereas in the past, fans would try to erase Haruka and Michiru's status as a lesbian couple by saying that Haruka was originally a man (not helped by Cloverway's whole thing with Cousins).
 

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I do hope they'll include some additional scene for Haruka and Michiru's relationship and maybe even a kiss. We saw this so many times in Crystal S1 and S2 when they changed or included material that wasnt in the manga (and wasnt as bad as the shittenou scene) so why not. It doesnt have to be anything big nor long. Obviously the next 3-5 episodes will be very fast paced so there's no space for that but the last 3-4 acts will make it possible because they're not as dense as the first few acts, there's quite a few drawings spread on 2 pages etc.
 

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This is pure speculation, but I wonder if Naoko would have wanted to include a kiss between Haruka and Michiru.

I'd actually say yes, but only based on what happens in one of her other manga.

(Spoilers below)
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There are two characters in Naoko's Toki*Meca that are blatant homages to Haruka and Michiru; Altei (right) and Monaka (left) respectively.

Altei is basically a black haired Haruka (or a cross between Seiya and Haruka, I guess). Similar to Haruka, she presents as a male and later revealed to be female. Monaka, like Michiru, is a blue haired, mysterious woman who's more mature than the main protagonist. The only difference is she's a robot.

There's other similarities in the story, but I'd recommend reading the manga.

Unlike Haruka and Michiru, they actually get to kiss! Of course, Naoko was probably able to get away with it as Altei was still pretending to be male at that point.


That said, I don't know where exactly they'd be able to add the kiss...
 

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SailorSugababe said:
I do hope they'll include some additional scene for Haruka and Michiru's relationship and maybe even a kiss. We saw this so many times in Crystal S1 and S2 when they changed or included material that wasnt in the manga (and wasnt as bad as the shittenou scene) so why not. It doesnt have to be anything big nor long. Obviously the next 3-5 episodes will be very fast paced so there's no space for that but the last 3-4 acts will make it possible because they're not as dense as the first few acts, there's quite a few drawings spread on 2 pages etc.
Oh yes please. This isn't the 90s anymore and we've come a long way as a society with LGBT tolerance that it would be a disservice not to include it. Even if it wasn't follow the manga, the creators already took liberties through the show when they have added small scenes here and there already (obviously excluding the disaster Shittennou/Senshi plot). We'll see what happens but the fandom has been waiting for it for so long now and it wouldn't need to be such a long scene to disrupt the flow of the story.
 
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NYUsagi said:
SailorSugababe said:
I do hope they'll include some additional scene for Haruka and Michiru's relationship and maybe even a kiss. We sbecause they're not as dense as the first few acts, there's quite a few drawings spread on 2 pages etc.
Oh yes please. This isn't the 90s anymore and we've come a long way as a society with LGBT tolerance that it would be a disservice not to include it. We'll see what happens but the fandom has been waiting for it for so long now and it wouldn't need to be such a long scene to disrupt the flow of the story.
Please stop why your a head and don't get your hopes up.Your setting yourself up for disappointment. As for we as fandom waited so long?You mean the western fandom,were not the full fandom.Were not even the gear towards audience here .We don't know how Japan feels about LGqbt kissin? But it does seem like they like Haruka,and Micheru.
 

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imaginationgirl said:
Please stop why your a head and don't get your hopes up.Your setting yourself up for disappointment. As for we as fandom waited so long?You mean the western fandom,were not the full fandom.Were not even the gear towards audience here .We don't know how Japan feels about LGqbt kissin? But it does seem like they like Haruka,and Micheru.
No where in my original post did I imply that this WAS going to happen. It's just something that I, and judging by the posts of members in this forum, that many others wanted to see. Of course I am not expecting it to happen so there's no set up for disappointment. It would just be a nice thing to add. Seeing as how they've added small scenes here and there throughout the show that didn't change the story (excluding the terrible Shittennou subplot of course), they could add it if they really wanted to and still have enough time for the main story.
 

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Surely if they can add in an extended goofy fight scene with a daimon and Ami and Makoto having flashbacks to their childhood they could take time out to include a Haruka and Michiru kiss.