What are your “forbidden” opinions about the story, characters, franchise, etc. that would get your Sailor Moon fan card revoked?

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Maraviollantes

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But at the end of the day no one is forcing them to buy.
Irrespective of people’s opinions on her, she did not do anything illegal or forced anyone to buy her work.
From proud "revolutionary series that opened anime to the world" in 90s, to humble "oh well, at least it's not illegal or forced on anybody" as our last line of defense in 2024.

Evolution of Sailor Moon franchise and Sailor Moon fandom in a nutshell. :setsuna:
 
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She's always being... difficult...when it comes to approvals. And yes, there are proofs from official sources. @Masquerade knows what I'm talking about but I'm not gonna post that video here.
Of course she needs to approve things, even with her approval there are things not so good, I'm looking at you, entire reboot series...

Yeah right, proof from official sources... Just because someone says they know for a fact does not mean they really do. The internet is full of false information. I would say even more then accurate information.
 
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Of course she needs to approve things, even with her approval there are things not so good, I'm looking at you, entire reboot series...

Yeah right, proof from official sources... Just because someone says they know for a fact does not mean they really do. The internet is full of false information. I would say even more then accurate information.
Yeah, there's proof from people involved in the Brazilian Portuguese and European Spanish versions of the Eternal Edition that she's taking years to approve minor things such as color shades. Is that really needed?
You answered the question yourself by mentioning the reboot. Her "approval" doesn't mean we are getting nice things, just that she's making working people's lives difficult.
 

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The Break Up Arc was good.
S was overratted.
Uranus and Neptune in S were needlessly jerks.
Crystal is overhated
The OG anime is over hated for utterly unjustified reasons
Sailor Stars competes for the best season of the 1992 anime
The age gap between Usagi and Mamoru in the 1992 isn't as big of a deal as people make it out to be, provided you put it into the proper contex*

*I can elaborate on that context if people want me to, but I won't in this post
 
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The Break Up Arc was good.
S was overratted.
Uranus and Neptune in S were needlessly jerks.
Crystal is overhated
The OG anime is over hated for utterly unjustified reasons
Sailor Stars competes for the best season of the 1992 anime
The age gap between Usagi and Mamoru in the 1992 isn't as big of a deal as people make it out to be, provided you put it into the proper contex*

*I can elaborate on that context if people want me to, but I won't in this post
I agree on S. It had some great key episodes (particularly the two parter where Usagi's heart crystal was stolen), but it was the season that cemented the "victim gets attacked, senshi save the day, senshi attacks, Moon finishes it off" formula. R and especially Classic were more varied in structure.

As for the OG anime, what about it do you think is overhated?
 

Al Evans

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I agree on S. It had some great key episodes (particularly the two parter where Usagi's heart crystal was stolen), but it was the season that cemented the "victim gets attacked, senshi save the day, senshi attacks, Moon finishes it off" formula. R and especially Classic were more varied in structure.

As for the OG anime, what about it do you think is overhated?
The structure isn't my problem with it. And you are right it was the season that cemented it, probably because the Rainbow Crystal arc was so well received.

My problem with it was basically, the season wanted to have this ideological debate between Usagi and the Inner's idealism vs Haruka and the Outer's realism (or maybe cynicism). Which is a very interesting and valid source of drama, especially when neither side are clearly 'the bad guys'. The problems for me was:

a) We'd had 2 seasons already. So we know Usagi's idealism isn't just idealism. She canonically has miracle love magic she is capable of reliably harnessing. She has already used this to save the world at least twice and one of those times included resurrecting people. Her future self used it to restore life on the whole planet in fact. Like, I get it that Usagi's claims about finding a way to win without sacrifice was ill defined and preaching everyone just have blind faith, but I think asking for blind faith is not a big request when it is literally coming from Moon Jesus. So the ideological debate wound up being redundant because it just reaffirmed what we the audience already knew. It would've been different if S was self-contained.

b) Uranus and Neptune should have already known this because the mere fact they died in the Silver Millennium and are now alive again is proof of Usagi's power. And Pluto, coming from the future, REALLY should have known this since she knew what NQS could do.

c) Uranus and neptune are comically antagonistic. Why did they abandon the Inners to fight for their lives in the second episode of the season? Why did they insist they couldn't work with them? And why were they so cocky considering they were objectively less experienced than the Inner Senshi?
 
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Yeah, there's proof from people involved in the Brazilian Portuguese and European Spanish versions of the Eternal Edition that she's taking years to approve minor things such as color shades. Is that really needed?
You answered the question yourself by mentioning the reboot. Her "approval" doesn't mean we are getting nice things, just that she's making working people's lives difficult.
And she also caused problems with the French BRD publisher that caused the project to lose one year. All the BRD designs were ready and she finally disapproved them after having approved them.
 
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The structure isn't my problem with it. And you are right it was the season that cemented it, probably because the Rainbow Crystal arc was so well received.

My problem with it was basically, the season wanted to have this ideological debate between Usagi and the Inner's idealism vs Haruka and the Outer's realism (or maybe cynicism). Which is a very interesting and valid source of drama, especially when neither side are clearly 'the bad guys'. The problems for me was:

a) We'd had 2 seasons already. So we know Usagi's idealism isn't just idealism. She canonically has miracle love magic she is capable of reliably harnessing. She has already used this to save the world at least twice and one of those times included resurrecting people. Her future self used it to restore life on the whole planet in fact. Like, I get it that Usagi's claims about finding a way to win without sacrifice was ill defined and preaching everyone just have blind faith, but I think asking for blind faith is not a big request when it is literally coming from Moon Jesus. So the ideological debate wound up being redundant because it just reaffirmed what we the audience already knew. It would've been different if S was self-contained.

b) Uranus and Neptune should have already known this because the mere fact they died in the Silver Millennium and are now alive again is proof of Usagi's power. And Pluto, coming from the future, REALLY should have known this since she knew what NQS could do.

c) Uranus and neptune are comically antagonistic. Why did they abandon the Inners to fight for their lives in the second episode of the season? Why did they insist they couldn't work with them? And why were they so cocky considering they were objectively less experienced than the Inner Senshi?
Neptune could have more experience than the inners, although it's unlikely. As for the rest of your points, I agree. Pluto suddenly joining Uranus and Neptune felt a bit off. I get she was a loner, but darn did she become cold.
 
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Neptune could have more experience than the inners, although it's unlikely. As for the rest of your points, I agree. Pluto suddenly joining Uranus and Neptune felt a bit off. I get she was a loner, but darn did she become cold.
I guess Pluto just falls in line with whoever bosses her around. After standing at the door of time for eternity, you'd think she'd enjoy a little freedom of movement and thought, but meh.

a) We'd had 2 seasons already. So we know Usagi's idealism isn't just idealism. She canonically has miracle love magic she is capable of reliably harnessing. She has already used this to save the world at least twice and one of those times included resurrecting people. Her future self used it to restore life on the whole planet in fact. Like, I get it that Usagi's claims about finding a way to win without sacrifice was ill defined and preaching everyone just have blind faith, but I think asking for blind faith is not a big request when it is literally coming from Moon Jesus. So the ideological debate wound up being redundant because it just reaffirmed what we the audience already knew. It would've been different if S was self-contained.

b) Uranus and Neptune should have already known this because the mere fact they died in the Silver Millennium and are now alive again is proof of Usagi's power. And Pluto, coming from the future, REALLY should have known this since she knew what NQS could do.

c) Uranus and neptune are comically antagonistic. Why did they abandon the Inners to fight for their lives in the second episode of the season? Why did they insist they couldn't work with them? And why were they so cocky considering they were objectively less experienced than the Inner Senshi?
These issues bothered me in S (especially the post-Pharaoh 90 fight episode... wtf...) but especially bothered me in Stars. It's like they learned nothing at all. Other than Haruka and Michiru running around giggling like horny teenagers (I guess they are that, actually) about their relationship, they're identical to how they were in S. Bossy, authoritative, insistent on their way (even when it's been proven wrong), and ultimately, sacrificing themselves and their closest allies in a dumb move and further harming Sailor Moon's ego/faith in herself and everyone else.

Really, seeing Uranus and Neptune kill Saturn is such whiplash if you read the manga where they're basically all her mothers.
 
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I guess Pluto just falls in line with whoever bosses her around. After standing at the door of time for eternity, you'd think she'd enjoy a little freedom of movement and thought, but meh.



These issues bothered me in S (especially the post-Pharaoh 90 fight episode... wtf...) but especially bothered me in Stars. It's like they learned nothing at all. Other than Haruka and Michiru running around giggling like horny teenagers (I guess they are that, actually) about their relationship, they're identical to how they were in S. Bossy, authoritative, insistent on their way (even when it's been proven wrong), and ultimately, sacrificing themselves and their closest allies in a dumb move and further harming Sailor Moon's ego/faith in herself and everyone else.

Really, seeing Uranus and Neptune kill Saturn is such whiplash if you read the manga where they're basically all her mothers.
The outers' plans never work out. They killed the two most powerful senshi other than Moon for a plan that didn't even work. Meanwhile, the inners trusted in their leader and the Starlights, and they ended up saving the world.
 

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The outers' plans never work out. They killed the two most powerful senshi other than Moon for a plan that didn't even work. Meanwhile, the inners trusted in their leader and the Starlights, and they ended up saving the world.
And they could have been part of that win if they'd had some damn sense. Even if the Inners still sacrificed themselves to save Moon and the Starlights, the Starlights were able to cause (minor) damage to Galaxia on their own. Throw in Moon attacking at the same time and the Outers' attacks and they may have very well at least weakened Galaxia enough for Moon to do her usual healing thing. But alas.
 
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And she also caused problems with the French BRD publisher that caused the project to lose one year. All the BRD designs were ready and she finally disapproved them after having approved them.
She also caused problems with the licensing of the '90s anime. :unsure: Someone really needs to make a master list with all the documented instances of her being difficult, unreasonable, and overly controlling when it comes to her running the franchise (into the ground).

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There's also that one tweet implying she's the reason Crystal became an ONA because she took so long with approvals that they lost their TV timeslot.

While the TV bit was never confirmed originally, it was supposed to premiere in 2013 so there might be some truth to that.
 
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She also caused problems with the licensing of the '90s anime. :unsure: Someone really needs to make a master list with all the documented instances of her being difficult, unreasonable, and overly controlling when it comes to her running the franchise (into the ground).

Sailor Moon Mexican DVD official page launched!! | Sailor Moon x Suburban Senshi Forums (sailormoonforum.com)

Sailor Moon to be released in Germany & France | Sailor Moon x Suburban Senshi Forums (sailormoonforum.com)

Takeuchi -- "no redubs allowed?" | Sailor Moon x Suburban Senshi Forums (sailormoonforum.com)
There's also that one tweet implying she's the reason Crystal became an ONA because she took so long with approvals that they lost their TV timeslot.

While the TV bit was never confirmed originally, it was supposed to premiere in 2013 so there might be some truth to that.
Well I'm glad she delayed things or else we would never have this epic and truly awesome meme. :googly:

 
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I'm not sure if this is the right thread to post this, I always found weird how none of the senshi talked about their past lives. They completely erased their previous lives, but I guess those memories are painful to them. I remember that Usagi almost had a panic attack when Neptune talked about Saturn and the destruction of the Silver Millennium.

Still, even a comment as small as a "Hey, remember back in Silver Millennium when we..." or Uranus saying something like "I hated being stuck in that palace" woul've been cool, imo. :p
 
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