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Frame composition mostly sucked.
This 90s artist made a group composition for a 90s pamphlet and the upper left sketch was a suggestion by the commissioner. instantly reminded me of Crystal.
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This 90s artist made a group composition for a 90s pamphlet and the upper left sketch was a suggestion by the commissioner. instantly reminded me of Crystal.
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My biggest regret in the mess of crystal is that they never stuck to the original character designs from 2014 and left it alone . Every season having a new art style is sloppy and makes the whole thing less cohesive as a project.
I’m in the minority where I think the season III character re- design was an absolute mess. The new ( at the time )2016 designs are so incredibly ugly to me. The skirts aren’t drawn correctly, noses look bizarre . I can’t place what it is about the faces that doesn’t look right but I don’t care for how mouths are drawn. People compared it to the pre-cure art style , but honestly, pre-cure has a budget.
I always felt that it was an issue of animation quality and not actual art style. With actual budgeting and time for the animators I believe SM Crystal could have been much more successful. The bad from S1& 2 is terrible - however the very best of season 1 &2 art is vastly better than anything we saw from III. The post-transformation speeches in S1 have some of the most buttery , detailed , and fluid animation in the series. I loved the gradient shading . The characters look much closer to the manga counterparts.
Eternal / Cosmos is even more bizarre because the designs revert to Todano in some kind of nostalgia ploy . Nothing matches as the series progresses and it’s a visual nightmare. The 1991 art is somehow superior despite having the same artist who adapted Naoko’s art the first time around. I don’t think Todano’s updated take looks all that great.
I’m in the minority where I think the season III character re- design was an absolute mess. The new ( at the time )2016 designs are so incredibly ugly to me. The skirts aren’t drawn correctly, noses look bizarre . I can’t place what it is about the faces that doesn’t look right but I don’t care for how mouths are drawn. People compared it to the pre-cure art style , but honestly, pre-cure has a budget.
I always felt that it was an issue of animation quality and not actual art style. With actual budgeting and time for the animators I believe SM Crystal could have been much more successful. The bad from S1& 2 is terrible - however the very best of season 1 &2 art is vastly better than anything we saw from III. The post-transformation speeches in S1 have some of the most buttery , detailed , and fluid animation in the series. I loved the gradient shading . The characters look much closer to the manga counterparts.
Eternal / Cosmos is even more bizarre because the designs revert to Todano in some kind of nostalgia ploy . Nothing matches as the series progresses and it’s a visual nightmare. The 1991 art is somehow superior despite having the same artist who adapted Naoko’s art the first time around. I don’t think Todano’s updated take looks all that great.
I think the problem is changing the design completely in season 3 and season 4, instead of fixing what's wrong in season 1 and 2. It shows that even the producer isn't confident in their product either. If you don't have confidence in your own product, who would buy it for you? I feel awkward looking at my Crystal collection. Nothing is consistent here.
Any other anime received the same treatment like this series?
Any other anime received the same treatment like this series?
Given the liberties that the animators took in this remake and given that many wanted a remake of the historical animated series (the 90s series was the trailblazer of the mahou shoujo fighters genre and the most famous version of the story) what prevented them from creating it?
I don't think Naoko would have been an impediment, they have bypassed her on many things in the past and even in this project.
They no longer focus on Sailormoon because... it is dated as a series? There are Pretty Cure series so would a possible success of the remake have damaged them? Naoko has exclusive rights so do they earn little?
Given the little effort put in and the little interest in animating the manga version they could have left the project to another animation studio if Naoko insisted.
The budget reserved for the first series (Crystal I and II) is clearly low and the resources employed were certainly not up to the task entrusted. Graphic horrors, slow and wooden animations, characters with little expressiveness.
Crystal III has recovered a bit, but even there it's not like they tried that hard, characters that seem to be made of rubber with copy-paste faces and strange physical proportions in various moments.
Eternal has returned to being a disaster, so much so that I wondered if the animators knew how to do the job they are paid for... wooden animations, inexpressive characters, somewhat questionable rendering of the scenes...
In cosmos they improved the colors, I have to give them credit for this, however it doesn't go too far from eternal in quality. Not to mention that they don't even know how to animate a scene where the characters run... the three lights at the beginning seem to come out of naruto, the inner senshi not only run in a strange way but also have hair with a life of their own...
In all of this a strange direction with cuts here and there throughout the remake and somewhat questionable changes.
If at least they had the care and attention to detail that they had for the 90s series... I would be ashamed to show a product like this given some of the standards to which they have accustomed us...
I continue to sustain that the manga can easily be animated in a decent way, if it is the desire that is lacking in those who produce the animated series, let them do as I said before, they should leave it to some other animation studio.
For me the entire crystetermos project is done badly, there is little that can be saved, it seems like a mockery by Toei, if this is all they can give, well, thanks for nothing.
Furthermore, if this remake was supposed to help the series during the anniversaries, it did the opposite.
Of course it is not interesting for the new generations who find themselves with a poor and confusing product, the project is dedicated to an adult audience, however they censor and they think that those who have a lifetime experience of anime watched behind them do not realize how badly this remake is made.
Toei has definitely disappointed me a lot and there is no way they can recover in my eyes.
I don't think Naoko would have been an impediment, they have bypassed her on many things in the past and even in this project.
They no longer focus on Sailormoon because... it is dated as a series? There are Pretty Cure series so would a possible success of the remake have damaged them? Naoko has exclusive rights so do they earn little?
Given the little effort put in and the little interest in animating the manga version they could have left the project to another animation studio if Naoko insisted.
The budget reserved for the first series (Crystal I and II) is clearly low and the resources employed were certainly not up to the task entrusted. Graphic horrors, slow and wooden animations, characters with little expressiveness.
Crystal III has recovered a bit, but even there it's not like they tried that hard, characters that seem to be made of rubber with copy-paste faces and strange physical proportions in various moments.
Eternal has returned to being a disaster, so much so that I wondered if the animators knew how to do the job they are paid for... wooden animations, inexpressive characters, somewhat questionable rendering of the scenes...
In cosmos they improved the colors, I have to give them credit for this, however it doesn't go too far from eternal in quality. Not to mention that they don't even know how to animate a scene where the characters run... the three lights at the beginning seem to come out of naruto, the inner senshi not only run in a strange way but also have hair with a life of their own...
In all of this a strange direction with cuts here and there throughout the remake and somewhat questionable changes.
If at least they had the care and attention to detail that they had for the 90s series... I would be ashamed to show a product like this given some of the standards to which they have accustomed us...
I continue to sustain that the manga can easily be animated in a decent way, if it is the desire that is lacking in those who produce the animated series, let them do as I said before, they should leave it to some other animation studio.
For me the entire crystetermos project is done badly, there is little that can be saved, it seems like a mockery by Toei, if this is all they can give, well, thanks for nothing.
Furthermore, if this remake was supposed to help the series during the anniversaries, it did the opposite.
Of course it is not interesting for the new generations who find themselves with a poor and confusing product, the project is dedicated to an adult audience, however they censor and they think that those who have a lifetime experience of anime watched behind them do not realize how badly this remake is made.
Toei has definitely disappointed me a lot and there is no way they can recover in my eyes.
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I liked the idea of the season 1 designs. But they just didn't work. They were inconsistent and at times pure nightmare fuel. Forget the Mantis Uranus, these were all mantises. For me it's the eyes and chins combined with the 36" forearms it's just too much.
Yes, sometimes it worked and there are a few shots that looked gorgeous, but they just made the bad stand out more.
I was in denial for a few episodes but seeing how absolutely lazy the art and writing becomes with the Four Kings (basically stick-thin ugly paperdolls with interchangeable heads) really sealed it for me. Each of them really stand out in the 90s. Jadeite is kind of basic but easily recognizable. The other three have unique body types and attitudes. In Crystal, what differentiates them besides hair color and the piping on their uniforms?
Also, in the 90s each of them besides Zoisite, looks like they could deliver a beatdown. They look threatening how a general in a demon queen's army should.
In Crystal they are delicate waifs, just one Aqua Mist away from being pushed off of a rooftop. 90s Jupiter would mangle all four in a brawl.
I enjoy the shojo aesthetic, but Crystal failed at even capturing that for the most apart.
Season 3 has better animation and people praise it...but no one wants merch with those ugly salamander grins pasted on it. What were they thinking? And the villain designs were just as bad here. I've given credit where I think it's due for s3. But it really only shines because what came before was such a low bar. Most of it's runtime is group henshin sequences and another huge chunk is speeches.
Eternal had better designs but everything about it felt stiff and was the definition of "going through the motions".
What is there to even say about this snoozefest?
And I think Cosmos was more a sigh of relief for everyone, fans and creators alike, that it was finally over, more than a celebration. It probably looks the best the reboot has, too little too late.
Yes, sometimes it worked and there are a few shots that looked gorgeous, but they just made the bad stand out more.
I was in denial for a few episodes but seeing how absolutely lazy the art and writing becomes with the Four Kings (basically stick-thin ugly paperdolls with interchangeable heads) really sealed it for me. Each of them really stand out in the 90s. Jadeite is kind of basic but easily recognizable. The other three have unique body types and attitudes. In Crystal, what differentiates them besides hair color and the piping on their uniforms?
Also, in the 90s each of them besides Zoisite, looks like they could deliver a beatdown. They look threatening how a general in a demon queen's army should.
In Crystal they are delicate waifs, just one Aqua Mist away from being pushed off of a rooftop. 90s Jupiter would mangle all four in a brawl.
I enjoy the shojo aesthetic, but Crystal failed at even capturing that for the most apart.
Season 3 has better animation and people praise it...but no one wants merch with those ugly salamander grins pasted on it. What were they thinking? And the villain designs were just as bad here. I've given credit where I think it's due for s3. But it really only shines because what came before was such a low bar. Most of it's runtime is group henshin sequences and another huge chunk is speeches.
Eternal had better designs but everything about it felt stiff and was the definition of "going through the motions".
What is there to even say about this snoozefest?
And I think Cosmos was more a sigh of relief for everyone, fans and creators alike, that it was finally over, more than a celebration. It probably looks the best the reboot has, too little too late.
The reboot is not a human being, therefore it can't make mistakes. Only people in charge of it can. And there's only one person above the animation company approving everything...............
The margin for human error was huge in this project. I believe many very talented artists were not given the opportunity to shine due to poor direction and lack of purpose.
I actually think a commemorative movie would have been much more appropriate and feasible. Pick a short story and advertise the heck out of it as the ‘ return of sailor moon’ .
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I will have to watch it more again but the biggest thing to me were the inconsistency of the designs.
When the key visual was dropped it looked pretty cool to me. I thought the first episode looked fine too.
I didn't outright hate the transformations but some shots did look weird like with the body model but the concept of being in a 3D space was cool.
The long wait times between episodes was horrendous.
Hopefully the next project will be better orchestrated overall.
When the key visual was dropped it looked pretty cool to me. I thought the first episode looked fine too.
I didn't outright hate the transformations but some shots did look weird like with the body model but the concept of being in a 3D space was cool.
The long wait times between episodes was horrendous.
Hopefully the next project will be better orchestrated overall.
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Maybe this time we'll get just a movie right off. Just maybe (big maybe) they learned from Crystal and will give us something similar to Cosmos in terms of style from the start.
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Do people really see the purpose in a new series or movie?
Don't kid yourselves, it'd be the Dark Kingdom...
It'll always be the Dark Kingdom aka a rehash of the OG storylines.
Sailor Moon remains the sole, the sole manga & anime franchise that has had a 10+ year revival but has had no new content.
It's been the case for 30+ years, it's not gonna change now.
And I'll repeat the same question as always, Takeuchi owns the rights to the franchise so why is it up to Toei to bring us anything good?
They don't own the franchise anything! I don't see people claiming of Takeuchi new content, so why should they do so from Toei?
Just look at other franchises Toei has created, Digimon and Precure keep getting new animes, mangas and merchandise over and over for all ages, children and adults while Sailor Moon is a parody being paraded as an 'adult' luxury product with products of quality aimed at 8 year olds.
Sailor Moon is done, good gone bye-bye.
It's precisely the reason why, now that Precure is 20+, Toei is aiming for it to be the new 'adult' Magical Girl.
Otona Precure was testing the waters with adult characters who reverted to their teenage Precure selves.
Mahou Tsukai 2 features 18/19 adult heroines who in the OG series already aged up to become Precures, hence the change is not so jarring. And they are remaking each and every transformation and attack (not tracing like Etermos, remaking).
The next logical move would probably be another series (perhaps like Heartcatch or Princess) with the girls as adults with brand new Precure adult forms this time.
The end goal is to likely branch into original Precure series aimed for adults.
The regular Precure series has apparently had complaints from parents for being too violent and seems to be doomed to have a 'non-violent' approach now so Toei seems to be willing to divide the 2 series appropriately.
On top of that, they again introduced male Cures. Last year, they had one of the iconic artists of the franchise do the character design for an original all-male Precure team that had a theater debut.
Eventually, there's gonna be a series aimed at young women and fujoshis (who are the largest base of the anime/manga customer poll in Japan).
With Precure, today after the fall of the Sailor Moon revival, Toei can get the male & female children, adult, and young women fanbase why would they bother with Sailor Moon?
There was no plot to 'disfigure' Sailor Moon for it to not overshadow Precure, it's ridiculous!
10 years ago, when Crystal debuted, it was impossible for Precure to even think of aiming for the adult fanbase with it, today it can because the series, and it's original fans themselves, are adults.
What caused Sailor Moon's downfall was the ego and resolute stance against change from a certain someone and when you look at how Toei experiments with all of it's other series (for good or worst), they're not the one to blame
Don't kid yourselves, it'd be the Dark Kingdom...
It'll always be the Dark Kingdom aka a rehash of the OG storylines.
Sailor Moon remains the sole, the sole manga & anime franchise that has had a 10+ year revival but has had no new content.
It's been the case for 30+ years, it's not gonna change now.
And I'll repeat the same question as always, Takeuchi owns the rights to the franchise so why is it up to Toei to bring us anything good?
They don't own the franchise anything! I don't see people claiming of Takeuchi new content, so why should they do so from Toei?
Just look at other franchises Toei has created, Digimon and Precure keep getting new animes, mangas and merchandise over and over for all ages, children and adults while Sailor Moon is a parody being paraded as an 'adult' luxury product with products of quality aimed at 8 year olds.
Sailor Moon is done, good gone bye-bye.
It's precisely the reason why, now that Precure is 20+, Toei is aiming for it to be the new 'adult' Magical Girl.
Otona Precure was testing the waters with adult characters who reverted to their teenage Precure selves.
Mahou Tsukai 2 features 18/19 adult heroines who in the OG series already aged up to become Precures, hence the change is not so jarring. And they are remaking each and every transformation and attack (not tracing like Etermos, remaking).
The next logical move would probably be another series (perhaps like Heartcatch or Princess) with the girls as adults with brand new Precure adult forms this time.
The end goal is to likely branch into original Precure series aimed for adults.
The regular Precure series has apparently had complaints from parents for being too violent and seems to be doomed to have a 'non-violent' approach now so Toei seems to be willing to divide the 2 series appropriately.
On top of that, they again introduced male Cures. Last year, they had one of the iconic artists of the franchise do the character design for an original all-male Precure team that had a theater debut.
Eventually, there's gonna be a series aimed at young women and fujoshis (who are the largest base of the anime/manga customer poll in Japan).
With Precure, today after the fall of the Sailor Moon revival, Toei can get the male & female children, adult, and young women fanbase why would they bother with Sailor Moon?
There was no plot to 'disfigure' Sailor Moon for it to not overshadow Precure, it's ridiculous!
10 years ago, when Crystal debuted, it was impossible for Precure to even think of aiming for the adult fanbase with it, today it can because the series, and it's original fans themselves, are adults.
What caused Sailor Moon's downfall was the ego and resolute stance against change from a certain someone and when you look at how Toei experiments with all of it's other series (for good or worst), they're not the one to blame
Do people really see the purpose in a new series or movie?
Don't kid yourselves, it'd be the Dark Kingdom...
It'll always be the Dark Kingdom aka a rehash of the OG storylines.
Sailor Moon remains the sole, the sole manga & anime franchise that has had a 10+ year revival but has had no new content.
It's been the case for 30+ years, it's not gonna change now.
And I'll repeat the same question as always, Takeuchi owns the rights to the franchise so why is it up to Toei to bring us anything good?
They don't own the franchise anything! I don't see people claiming of Takeuchi new content, so why should they do so from Toei?
Just look at other franchises Toei has created, Digimon and Precure keep getting new animes, mangas and merchandise over and over for all ages, children and adults while Sailor Moon is a parody being paraded as an 'adult' luxury product with products of quality aimed at 8 year olds.
Sailor Moon is done, good gone bye-bye.
It's precisely the reason why, now that Precure is 20+, Toei is aiming for it to be the new 'adult' Magical Girl.
Otona Precure was testing the waters with adult characters who reverted to their teenage Precure selves.
Mahou Tsukai 2 features 18/19 adult heroines who in the OG series already aged up to become Precures, hence the change is not so jarring. And they are remaking each and every transformation and attack (not tracing like Etermos, remaking).
The next logical move would probably be another series (perhaps like Heartcatch or Princess) with the girls as adults with brand new Precure adult forms this time.
The end goal is to likely branch into original Precure series aimed for adults.
The regular Precure series has apparently had complaints from parents for being too violent and seems to be doomed to have a 'non-violent' approach now so Toei seems to be willing to divide the 2 series appropriately.
On top of that, they again introduced male Cures. Last year, they had one of the iconic artists of the franchise do the character design for an original all-male Precure team that had a theater debut.
Eventually, there's gonna be a series aimed at young women and fujoshis (who are the largest base of the anime/manga customer poll in Japan).
With Precure, today after the fall of the Sailor Moon revival, Toei can get the male & female children, adult, and young women fanbase why would they bother with Sailor Moon?
There was no plot to 'disfigure' Sailor Moon for it to not overshadow Precure, it's ridiculous!
10 years ago, when Crystal debuted, it was impossible for Precure to even think of aiming for the adult fanbase with it, today it can because the series, and it's original fans themselves, are adults.
What caused Sailor Moon's downfall was the ego and resolute stance against change from a certain someone and when you look at how Toei experiments with all of it's other series (for good or worst), they're not the one to blame
Don't kid yourselves, it'd be the Dark Kingdom...
It'll always be the Dark Kingdom aka a rehash of the OG storylines.
Sailor Moon remains the sole, the sole manga & anime franchise that has had a 10+ year revival but has had no new content.
It's been the case for 30+ years, it's not gonna change now.
And I'll repeat the same question as always, Takeuchi owns the rights to the franchise so why is it up to Toei to bring us anything good?
They don't own the franchise anything! I don't see people claiming of Takeuchi new content, so why should they do so from Toei?
Just look at other franchises Toei has created, Digimon and Precure keep getting new animes, mangas and merchandise over and over for all ages, children and adults while Sailor Moon is a parody being paraded as an 'adult' luxury product with products of quality aimed at 8 year olds.
Sailor Moon is done, good gone bye-bye.
It's precisely the reason why, now that Precure is 20+, Toei is aiming for it to be the new 'adult' Magical Girl.
Otona Precure was testing the waters with adult characters who reverted to their teenage Precure selves.
Mahou Tsukai 2 features 18/19 adult heroines who in the OG series already aged up to become Precures, hence the change is not so jarring. And they are remaking each and every transformation and attack (not tracing like Etermos, remaking).
The next logical move would probably be another series (perhaps like Heartcatch or Princess) with the girls as adults with brand new Precure adult forms this time.
The end goal is to likely branch into original Precure series aimed for adults.
The regular Precure series has apparently had complaints from parents for being too violent and seems to be doomed to have a 'non-violent' approach now so Toei seems to be willing to divide the 2 series appropriately.
On top of that, they again introduced male Cures. Last year, they had one of the iconic artists of the franchise do the character design for an original all-male Precure team that had a theater debut.
Eventually, there's gonna be a series aimed at young women and fujoshis (who are the largest base of the anime/manga customer poll in Japan).
With Precure, today after the fall of the Sailor Moon revival, Toei can get the male & female children, adult, and young women fanbase why would they bother with Sailor Moon?
There was no plot to 'disfigure' Sailor Moon for it to not overshadow Precure, it's ridiculous!
10 years ago, when Crystal debuted, it was impossible for Precure to even think of aiming for the adult fanbase with it, today it can because the series, and it's original fans themselves, are adults.
What caused Sailor Moon's downfall was the ego and resolute stance against change from a certain someone and when you look at how Toei experiments with all of it's other series (for good or worst), they're not the one to blame
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