What was Sailor Saturn life in the Silver Millenium. Did she spend the time slumbering in her planet atmosphere?

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I know there isn't much that we know about the silver millennium, but I really wonder what her life in the silver millennium. Did she was raised knowing that she was Sailor Saturn? Did she put herself there by choice? I would like to know your headcanon about it. Personnaly I think that her life was quite sad. Her whole life is probably: "The end justify the means"
 

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She did not have a life. She awakened to destroy what was left of the Silver Millennium and erase the existence of Neptune, Uranus and Pluto.
In case of dire emergency break glass (crypt containing Sailor Saturn, to be awakened when all hope was lost)
Yeah, that's precisely her whole purpose of life, if that can also be called a life.
 
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The 90’s anime did not address her origin or primary role in the era of the Silver Millennium.
 
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On that note, how do you think the sailor senshi were created? Were they born, then had a sailor crystal put in them or were they creates like an homunculus? Do they even have parent (we know, they were made princess)? We know that Pluto was assigned to guard the Time gates when she was a child and that during the Dream arc of all the Inners sweared their lives to their princess when they were children. In fact, were the sailor senshi child soldier?
 
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Isn't she supposed to be hanging out in her Titan Castle wearing a princess gown talking to her Sailor Barbie? :P

If not, why does the Titan Castle exists in the first place? :mischief:
:rofl:

What was the point of having a cosmic castle and a Sailor Barbie if she was only supposed to awake to destroy everything and die afterwards??

Wait, wait, what's that word Naoko's stans love to say????????????????? Oh yes... cohesion. Remember! The 90's anime doesn't have a cohesive story, the manga/Crystal does. :sheep:
 

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The question is....

at one point was she essentially "locked" away and made to just be a weapon of pure destruction.

Did QS deem her power to be to powerful to be left as is and created the talismans to lock her away? Did they stumble upon the Talismans and ultimately stumbled upon Saturn?
 
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:rofl:

What was the point of having a cosmic castle and a Sailor Barbie if she was only supposed to awake to destroy everything and die afterwards??

Wait, wait, what's that word Naoko's stans love to say????????????????? Oh yes... cohesion. Remember! The 90's anime doesn't have a cohesive story, the manga/Crystal does. :sheep:
To be fair, the manga isn't also the most cohesive story.

They are born with a sailor crystal or seed.
Ah true, but how they got it in the first place? If i quote the wiki : "All stars and planets start as tiny star seeds within the Cauldron. Star seeds form the core of all life on these heavenly bodies as well with special star seeds being sent to grow alongside them to eventually become their Sailor Guardians. "
I guess that you need to be born on/near the planet to get one? I just always thought that QS took the star seeds and implemented them. Considering that the inner sailor senshi were close in age to princess serenity, they were either new senshi that got born or they weren't the first incarnation of the inner senshi.

The question is....

at one point was she essentially "locked" away and made to just be a weapon of pure destruction.

Did QS deem her power to be to powerful to be left as is and created the talismans to lock her away? Did they stumble upon the Talismans and ultimately stumbled upon Saturn?
I think it's the first option. Maybe she was scared of Sailor Saturn and/or just seem as a necessary sacrifice/weapon. I'm not saying that QS was a tyrant and that the SM was a dystopia like some like to imagine, but as everything it wasn't probably perfect especially for the senshi.
 
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I guess sometimes the best option in terms of worldbuilding is simply to not give as many details and leave things to the viewer. At least it might prevent the author from creating unnecessary plot holes and giving rise to even more questions. IIRC, it's somewhat implied that the only times Saturn awakened were at the downfall of the Silver Millennium and in the Death Busters arc, so we might assume she spent her Silver Millennium days as a civillian without getting involved in any fights whatsoever (which is somewhat weird, as she was given a castle, so she probably knew she was a senshi even though she hadn't awoke yet?).

But the whole having a castle thing is weird to say the least. Each of the Inner Senshi has a castle in their respective planet, but they live on the Moon protecting the Moon Princess, so are their Castles empty and abandoned or can we assume there's an entire court for each of the planets and only their princesses are living on the Moon? And we know the Moon is not inhabited anymore because, well, Metallia and such, but why aren't the other planets inhabited? The more we expand the lore, the more questions we've got.
 

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I guess sometimes the best option in terms of worldbuilding is simply to not give as many details and leave things to the viewer. At least it might prevent the author from creating unnecessary plot holes and giving rise to even more questions. IIRC, it's somewhat implied that the only times Saturn awakened were at the downfall of the Silver Millennium and in the Death Busters arc, so we might assume she spent her Silver Millennium days as a civillian without getting involved in any fights whatsoever (which is somewhat weird, as she was given a castle, so she probably knew she was a senshi even though she hadn't awoke yet?).

But the whole having a castle thing is weird to say the least. Each of the Inner Senshi has a castle in their respective planet, but they live on the Moon protecting the Moon Princess, so are their Castles empty and abandoned or can we assume there's an entire court for each of the planets and only their princesses are living on the Moon? And we know the Moon is not inhabited anymore because, well, Metallia and such, but why aren't the other planets inhabited? The more we expand the lore, the more questions we've got.
In the manga, she is shown literally slumbering inside of her planet.


In manga, everything you show in the panels is super important and every thing has to have a meaning.
By showing us this panel, Takeuchi is confirming to the readers that Saturn was asleep inside Saturn and the resonance of the 3 Talismans summoned her to the Silver Millennium.
She was locked inside her planet and wasn't a civilian of the Moon Kingdom.

The castles are yet another thing that doesn't make any sense.
First, there's the case of the Inners being Princesses of their own planets.
However we've seen they have always been living on the Moon and serving Serenity. Worst, just pages before this reveal, we see the Inners as toddlers, as Senshi swearing loyalty to new-born Serenity.
There is literally no time for them to be 'Princesses' because from what Takeuchi has shown us, they've always been servants to Serenity and nothing else.

In Stars, it's stated that Queen Serenity gifted their castles to the 3 Outers (speaking of which, as I always joke about it - what the heck does 'borrowing power from your castles' mean?).
We see there are a bunch of technology junk over there but nothing that could serve as a 'power source' enough to upgrade Moon into Eternal form.
Because if they used power from these Castles to power up Moon, then this power was created by Queen Serenity since she was the one who built these castles. But as we see in Stars, there's nothing there. That would also mean, she created the castles of the Inners as well but since they all lived on the Moon, what was the use of that?
Not to mention why would she create Castles on faraway, deserted planets that had this much power source?
How did she even create such power? Since they are linked to the Senshi herself and by instance her Sailor Crystal, it isn't something she created by the power of the Silver Crystal.

We see that Queen Serenity doesn't have sovereignty over Earth but only on the Moon, yet somehow ALL of the remaining planets of the Solar System bow to her with their Princesses serving as guards to the heiress of the Moon.
Which doesn't make any sense!
What makes Queen Serenity so special for all the populace/kingdoms of 8 other planets submit to her and offer their Princesses to her kingdom?
Then there's also the case of Pluto as well who was appointed to the Door of Space Time as a young toddler but seemingly was a Princess as well and had a Castle too. Since she was always at the Door of Space-Time, there was literally NO reason for her to be given a Castle.

There's so many things about the manga lore that don't make sense...
 
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Speaking of castles? Are the Solar System Senshi the only ones know with actual castles? Are castles something unique to our Solar System Senshi?

When Senshi are born do their castles also materialize?

One thing I do like it that the Senshi can travel through space like nothing. It would take probably takes years and Saturn is like...Mama Pluto is in trouble, let me just teleport to Pluto right quick. Truly amazing.


Honestly, I'm really curious....could Pluto have stopped time in Cosmos? I know she will die afterwards but she didn't mind dying in Black Moon and she is professional taboo breaker.
 
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In the manga, she is shown literally slumbering inside of her planet.

We see that Queen Serenity doesn't have sovereignty over Earth but only on the Moon, yet somehow ALL of the remaining planets of the Solar System bow to her with their Princesses serving as guards to the heiress of the Moon.
Which doesn't make any sense!
What makes Queen Serenity so special for all the populace/kingdoms of 8 other planets submit to her and offer their Princesses to her kingdom?
Then there's also the case of Pluto as well who was appointed to the Door of Space Time as a young toddler but seemingly was a Princess as well and had a Castle too. Since she was always at the Door of Space-Time, there was literally NO reason for her to be given a Castle.

There's so many things about the manga lore that don't make sense...
I always imagined that QS was the sole ruler of every planet except earth and that the princess position of the senshi was an honorary/given title (kind of like a viceroy).

But yea, why would the inner have castle???? Well maybe the castles are somehow used as focaliser point for the senshi power (like lens or something). It would make sense considering that they used them for their Eternal form.

As for why Saturn was locked, fear I guess???
 

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I always imagined that QS was the sole ruler of every planet except earth and that the princess position of the senshi was an honorary/given title (kind of like a viceroy).

But yea, why would the inner have castle???? Well maybe the castles are somehow used as focaliser point for the senshi power (like lens or something). It would make sense considering that they used them for their Eternal form.

As for why Saturn was locked, fear I guess???
Unfortunately in Stars, we have the discussion between Lead Crow and Phobos/Deimos whereby the former reveals that all 3 were from Coronis and they were specifically chosen by the Princess Mars to become her partners and were allowed to become 'Martians' (she basically gave them permanent residence lol).

This is everything Takeuchi herself has written and not anime filler.

I guess she was trying to make a double example with the status of Luna and Artemis who were likewise not Lunarians. In Stars, suddenly, our Solar System is described as the most powerful of the whole universe and Takeuchi tries to embellish this idea.
This means that Coronis was either a colony of sorts of Mars or at the very least a very strong ally.
If the title of Princess was just an honorary title, then this whole thing with Phobos/Deimos doesn't make any sense.
Like I said before, there is literally no time for the Inners to be hanging in their planets/castles and playing princess duties.

In Stars, Takeuchi introduces the concept of Senshi existing beyond those of the Solar System, inhabiting populated planets and being Princesses.
In turn, she is cementing that whenever someone is called a 'Princess', they are the heiress of their kingdom and ruler of the populace of their planet.
Which means, all of the other planets of the Solar System had a kingdom since they all had Princesses.
Which brings back to my problem of why and how Queen Serenity (who wasn't even born on the Moon and the rightful heir to it) had authority over every inhabited planet in the Solar System except the Earth despite these planets, themselves, as we see via Mars, had some authority and ties to other smaller planets/kingdoms.

Considering the other planets had their own kingdoms, why would Queen Serenity be giving them Castles?
And again, I cannot stress enough that these 'Castles' are not simply buildings but apparently have a great amount of raw power that can be canalized by it's respective Princess.

Later on, Takeuchi states that it's Queen Serenity that gave the 3 Outers their castles. I guess it's because she suddenly remembered that she previously stated that those 3 were eternally bound to their station at their Planets and weren't allowed to move.
Which, itself, creates more problems.
What about their population? Considering the 3 Outers were tasked to deal with external forces of the Solar System, wouldn't that put their people to the upmost danger? Which would be a totally different matter if those planets were desert and all of the Senshi were born on the Moon - which was the intention at the time of Infinity :P
So perhaps Osabu reminded her of that and the conversation went something like this:
Takeuchi: 'Oh then it's simple, Queen Serenity gave them their Castles ohohoho'
Osabu: 'Yes, sensei. But then what about the Inners because...'
Takeuchi: 'Because shaddup.'

From the start of Infinity, there's a lot of plotholes and inconsistencies in the manga and boy by the finale of Dreams and throughout Stars, there's concepts & ideas that are introduced, thrown away, clash with each other or make no sense within just a few pages!
Takeuchi ends up introducing so much stuff that she forgets 3/4 of them.

All of what we learn in Dream/Stars creates a big plothole with the Saturn situation shown in Infinity.

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