Which do you prefer as the finale for Crystal?

[saintfighteraqua]

The horrible pacing of the movies is because the first half of each arc (especially) is meant to be episodic.
We can complain about Naoko's style all we want, but she was writing it that way on purpose. She was just as formulaic as the 90s anime as far as doing things in a pattern and I do believe that was intentional.

Magical McGuffin the enemy is after. Power ups, a string of baddies to fight one at a time until they hit the big bad. So shonen! What we did lack were training arcs.

These were never meant to be films and the pacing was always going to suck as films.
I'm glad they got a better budget, but aside from better usage of color here and there, Eternal was uglier than most of season 3.
I kind of hope Toei has a last hurah with Crystal and makes Eternal and Cosmos into a series like DB Super did with Battle of Gods and Resurrection F, to see how the pacing feels with some padded scenes.

 

[Starlight]

The horrible pacing of the movies is because the first half of each arc (especially) is meant to be episodic.

Sure, but when you adapt something into a movie, you make the necessary changes to fix the pacing. This was not done in the case Eternal and Cosmos either due to incompetence and lack of skill and/or them being forced to follow the manga panels religiously.

 

[saintfighteraqua]

Sure, but when you adapt something into a movie, you make the necessary changes to fix the pacing. This was not done in the case Eternal and Cosmos either due to incompetence and lack of skill and/or them being forced to follow the manga panels religiously.

I would guarantee it was the latter. Maybe both.

 

[Rika-Chicchi]

Sailor Moon as a franchise has the tendency to either go unbearably slow or dizzyingly fast, there's usually no decent balance. But too slow is usually the lesser of two evils as far as Sailor Moon is concerned. That's why you won't see me berating the pace of SuperS, even though I recognise it is far from perfect.

I actually like filler episodes, which I regard as an important element of the 90s anime.

 

[Lady Pen]

Cosmos is marginally better as a film and it did perform the feat of making me simply dislike an arc I've always wholeheartedly hated. Still, because it's asking for our preference and not the best one, I'll go for Eternal. Despite its bland final battle, at least it didn't keep pelting new characters at me every three or four minutes and I got to follow the characters I actually cared about.

Jokes aside, I'll go for Eternal too. I can't see Cosmos. Really, I can't.

Mamoru dies as a human the moment Galaxia rips out his Crystal. Right. So how on earth is King Endymion still alive in the future, welcoming Small Lady? And even more importantly, how is Chibiusa still alive? If Mamoru dies as a human, Chibiusa should be as lifeless as the other Senshi of the 30th century!!! And one more thing. If Usagi dies in the cauldron (we literally see her body disintegrating), how on earth is Sailor Cosmos alive and having a nice long chat with the Sailor Quartet? The fifth arc of the manga feels like it was written by a 5-year-old. Sometimes I think Kodansha gave Takeuchi a break and called in one of the young readers to finish the story.

 

[saintfighteraqua]

Jokes aside, I'll go for Eternal too. I can't see Cosmos. Really, I can't.

Mamoru dies as a human the moment Galaxia rips out his Crystal. Right. So how on earth is King Endymion still alive in the future, welcoming Small Lady? And even more importantly, how is Chibiusa still alive? If Mamoru dies as a human, Chibiusa should be as lifeless as the other Senshi of the 30th century!!! And one more thing. If Usagi dies in the cauldron (we literally see her body disintegrating), how on earth is Sailor Cosmos alive and having a nice long chat with the Sailor Quartet? The fifth arc of the manga feels like it was written by a 5-year-old. Sometimes I think Kodansha gave Takeuchi a break and called in one of the young readers to finish the story.

Lady Pen, PUHLEASE!
How do you not understand? He didn't disappear in the future because Naoko hadn't yet added that plot point. After she added the plot point, everything fell in line just fine. We had to wait for Naoko's genius to catch up with her! Chibiusa vanished when Naoko remembered she shouldn't exist anymore.

But really, I suppose it was because as long as the Crystals existed, the bodies didn't vanish, but things were starting to corrode through time.
This is why it being a fixed, singular, guaranteed (but also not) timeline is silly. Nothing about this makes sense. The future should have been HEAVILY altered in Black Moon, yet it stayed its course. This means Neo Queen still made the same mistakes EVEN though now she'd met the Black Moon Clan, knew what she was dealing with etc. But if she had changed anything, Chibiusa would have never went back, bleh. No alternate timelines were created. Time travel is a mess in the best of series. Naoko did not think it through at all.

 

[Rika-Chicchi]

How do you not understand? He didn't disappear in the future because Naoko hadn't yet added that plot point. After she added the plot point, everything fell in line just fine. We had to wait for Naoko's genius to catch up with her! Chibiusa vanished when Naoko remembered she shouldn't exist anymore.

Takeuchi would be a bad programmer/god creating many bugs in her programs/universe, because she'd be forgetful in modifying one part of the program while being oblivious of the implications on those other parts required to be modified accordingly too. lol

But really, I suppose it was because as long as the Crystals existed, the bodies didn't vanish, but things were starting to corrode through time.
This is why it being a fixed, singular, guaranteed (but also not) timeline is silly. Nothing about this makes sense. The future should have been HEAVILY altered in Black Moon, yet it stayed its course. This means Neo Queen still made the same mistakes EVEN though now she'd met the Black Moon Clan, knew what she was dealing with etc. But if she had changed anything, Chibiusa would have never went back, bleh. No alternate timelines were created. Time travel is a mess in the best of series. Naoko did not think it through at all.

Time traveling is always a mess & no writer can really think it thru at all (tho some can present it better than others, w/o making the loopholes as obvious, hence managing to trick many readers into believing it). The only real solution is to get inspirations from quantum mechanics w/ multiple timelines.

 

[Star Angel Haruki]

I prefer Cosmos. I watched it again and I like it better, despite the pacing. I haven't even watched Eternal in a while but I've watched Cosmos multiple times.

Cosmos needed to be a series, and if not 20 episodes, 12 episodes at minimum.

Nehellania in Eternal doesn't really feel as threatening. Heck, Badiyanu from the SuperS movie feels more 'dangerous' that Nehellania did in Eternal.

 

[Rika-Chicchi]

ATM an overwhelming majority vote for Cosmos.

 

[Memelord_Yoshi]

The only real solution is to get inspirations from quantum mechanics w/ multiple timelines.

When in doubt 'String Theory'. #Pseudoscience

 

[Rika-Chicchi]

When in doubt 'String Theory'. #Pseudoscience

Well, the concept of multiple universes had already appeared way earlier than string theory. lol

 

[Talentless Fool]

But really, I suppose it was because as long as the Crystals existed, the bodies didn't vanish, but things were starting to corrode through time.

And why things started to corrode through time?
Did Takeuchi's cookie fell into the space-time imagination continuum and manifested into the Sailor Moon reality and create this paradoxal anomaly?
Is that why the Inners are suddenly Super level but Chibi-Usa Eternal - as well as her band of concubines?

This is why it being a fixed, singular, guaranteed (but also not) timeline is silly. Nothing about this makes sense. The future should have been HEAVILY altered in Black Moon, yet it stayed its course. This means Neo Queen still made the same mistakes EVEN though now she'd met the Black Moon Clan, knew what she was dealing with etc. But if she had changed anything, Chibiusa would have never went back, bleh. No alternate timelines were created. Time travel is a mess in the best of series. Naoko did not think it through at all.

Not to mention Cosmos reveals she did exactly what Usagi did meaning again everything is set in stone (actually no since the events of Infinity didn't occur in NQS' past - it all depends on what makes Usagi look best at the given time), meaning Usagi too will become jaded like Cosmos and return back to the past to remember she was always right.
Loopy Loop!

Toriyama of all people did it best.

There's no single timeline. Whenever someone time-travels, they immediately branch into a separate line. They can return to their original one but it'll never bear any recoil.
In turn, the timeline in which the time traveler descends into suffers considerable changes by their mere presence be it in small or big ways.

Takeuchi always tries to bring big brain energy with all of her rules and revelations and gives up the very next page she introduced said concepts.

Takeuchi would be a bad programmer/god creating many bugs in her programs/universe, because she'd be forgetful in modifying one part of the program while being oblivious of the implications on those other parts required to be modified accordingly too. lol

And everyone ends up looking like aliens! Enter Crystal I continuity!
WDYWSMC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When in doubt 'String Theory'. #Pseudoscience

When in doubt, you undergo the procedures of the Strip Tease Theory!

 

[Rika-Chicchi]

And why things started to corrode through time?
Did Takeuchi's cookie fell into the space-time imagination continuum and manifested into the Sailor Moon reality and create this paradoxal anomaly?
Is that why the Inners are suddenly Super level but Chibi-Usa Eternal - as well as her band of concubines?

When things don't add up or are illogical, you know that you're in a dream. So Sailor Moon is a dream (the Dream arc is a dream w/i a dream - it's not rare to dream that you're dreaming, i.e. nested dreams).

 

[Talentless Fool]

When things don't add up or are illogical, you know that you're in a dream. So Sailor Moon is a dream (the Dream arc is a dream w/i a dream - it's not rare to dream that you're dreaming, i.e. nested dreams).

But wasn't it ALL a dream?

Isn't it what Takeuchi is alluding to in the final pages when Usagi wakes up?
Wasn't Takeuchi telling us that all of the Sailor Moon manga was Usagi's dream and thus the plotholes are just Usagi's jumbled mind?

I'm amazed no-one has brought up this argument by now to explain the manga and it's ending.
Not to mention how much the trope of 'it was all a dream' is hated by people

 

[Rika-Chicchi]

But wasn't it ALL a dream?

Isn't it what Takeuchi is alluding to in the final pages when Usagi wakes up?
Wasn't Takeuchi telling us that all of the Sailor Moon manga was Usagi's dream and thus the plotholes are just Usagi's jumbled mind?

I'm amazed no-one has brought up this argument by now to explain the manga and it's ending.
Not to mention how much the trope of 'it was all a dream' is hated by people

Takeuchi can now have the last laugh - it's all about her deliberate dreamy style of storytelling, & her critics are too retarded to get it!

 

[Lady Pen]

Naokotards have now a great excuse. The manga makes sense if you think everything has been one of Usagi's dream after having multiple orgasms the night before.

 

[HappyMoon]

Not to mention how much the trope of 'it was all a dream' is hated by people

I WOULD HAVE LOVED IT.
We got The Mist when we could have had Mulholland Drive...

 

[Hadibou]

Jokes aside, I'll go for Eternal too. I can't see Cosmos. Really, I can't.

Mamoru dies as a human the moment Galaxia rips out his Crystal. Right. So how on earth is King Endymion still alive in the future, welcoming Small Lady?

Oh well you know there is some jet lag between 1996 and the 31st century, it takes some time for his death to be uploaded to the future Then he starts to have some headache and faints in later manga act because the info of his death is slowly being received. And his unconscious body is veryyyy close to Pluto’s own body by the way, not suspect at all

I suppose this is where some Naokotards will argue that he is not dead since his starseed is not yet destroyed… Well weirdly the Quartet Star seeds are melt in the Cauldron and yet they are able to chit chat with Cosmos… Princess Naoko Sama works in mysterious ways

 

[julayla]

Honestly, I feel my brain exploding for thinking too hard on the manga/Cosmos logics

 

[Rika-Chicchi]

Oh well you know there is some jet lag between 1996 and the 31st century, it takes some time for his death to be uploaded to the future

I like that theory, & would like some genius, Einstein-level physicists to prove it & measure/quantify that time lag.

Honestly, I feel my brain exploding for thinking too hard on the manga/Cosmos logics

Then don't think too hard on it, for your mental health's sake.