Who is your favorite main villain of Crystal?

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Who is your favorite main villain of Crystal?

  • Queen Metalia

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Wiseman

    Votes: 7 24.1%
  • Pharaoh 90

    Votes: 1 3.4%
  • Queen Nehelenia

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Sailor Galaxia

    Votes: 15 51.7%
  • Chaos

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Total voters
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kasumigenx

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#41
And so was Beryl—and she became corrupted by Metaria (Chaos) and killed Endymion in the era of the Silver Millennium.
That is why Beryl is a candidate to be Sailor Chaos.

Neherenia in Crystal if you believe is a parallel timeline to the 90s anime, her becoming an incarnation of Chaos is the outcome of the choices of the Cauldron Guardian and Galaxia.
 
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Clow

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#42
That is why Beryl is a candidate to be Sailor Chaos.
Neither the manga nor the films disclose Sailor Chaos’s identity. It could be anyone.

Neherenia in Crystal if you believe is a parallel timeline to the 90s anime, her becoming an incarnation of Chaos is the outcome of the choices of the Cauldron Guardian and Galaxia.
Those are your own thoughts. Crystermos is an adaptation of the manga. It is not related to the 90’s anime.

Nehelenia lived on the moon, as did Queen Serenity, and her darkness arrived as an uninvited guest; nobody noticed her and Sailor Mars called Nehelenia a liar when she said that she, too, lived on the moon.
 
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Sapphire231

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#44
Beryl and Wiseman both had darkness in them, yes. Beryl willingly sold her soul to Metalia out of jealousy, and Wiseman attacked Crystal Tokyo before he was banished to Nemesis. But between the two, Wiseman was an incarnation of Chaos. Or are you saying that all villains besides the big four are some kind of incarnation of Chaos and that their evil came from it?

It is perfectly clear that, despite any resemblance between the two (such as changing the manner of Demande's death so his final act is to protect Sailor Moon, but for different reasons), the 90's anime and Crystal are two completely different continuities. Take Nehelenia for instance. In the 90's anime, if we go by the uncut, she reforms and goes into her own paradise world. In Crystal, she and her mirror are destroyed.
 

Clow

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#45
Beryl and Wiseman both had darkness in them, yes. Beryl willingly sold her soul to Metalia out of jealousy, and Wiseman attacked Crystal Tokyo before he was banished to Nemesis. But between the two, Wiseman was an incarnation of Chaos. Or are you saying that all villains besides the big four are some kind of incarnation of Chaos and that their evil came from it?

The fragments/reincarnations of Chaos are: (1) Metaria, (2)Nemesis/Death Phantom, (3) Pharaoh 90, (4) Nehelenia and in the unknown future (5) Sailor Chaos.

And then you have the individuals who align themselves with Chaos to do evil:

 
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Sapphire231

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#46
Exactly. Beryl is one who aligned herself with Chaos's incarnation Metalia, so that makes perfect sense. But Wiseman is an incarnation of Chaos.
 
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The bigger question is...how exactly did Wiseman become human in the first place and how exactly did he create the Black Moon? Were they just random citizen he plucked and boosted their negativity? Were they artificial humans he created? While we know a little about Wiseman, we never really get to the origin of the actual Black Moon clan in the manga/Crystal.
 

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#48
The bigger question is...how exactly did Wiseman become human in the first place and how exactly did he create the Black Moon? Were they just random citizen he plucked and boosted their negativity? Were they artificial humans he created? While we know a little about Wiseman, we never really get to the origin of the actual Black Moon clan in the manga/Crystal.
In the manga, the Black Moon Clan was a terrorist organization recruited by Wiseman. I think he had made a human form to infiltrate society, and then he hijacked an organization that already had problems with Crystal Tokyo into becoming much more violent.

This is not the same as the anime Black Moon Clan, which are descendants of a terrorist organization that was banished to Nemesis or fled there.
 
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The bigger question is...how exactly did Wiseman become human in the first place and how exactly did he create the Black Moon? Were they just random citizen he plucked and boosted their negativity? Were they artificial humans he created? While we know a little about Wiseman, we never really get to the origin of the actual Black Moon clan in the manga/Crystal.
Wiseman, real name Death Phantom, was a human who somehow acquired dark powers, after attacking Crystal Tokyo, he was banished to Nemesis and merged his soul with it, becoming Nemesis while controlling his dead body as his avatar. The Black Moon were terrorists and anarchists, presumably from Earth (where they are implied to be aliens in the 90's anime), with Demande as their ring leader, and at some point they found their way to Nemesis and joined forces with Wiseman, who gave them their dark power, with Demande thinking that he was commanding Wiseman, but Wiseman using him for his own plans.

This is Endymion's description:

(Nemesis) is a hidden world within our very own solar system. A phantom planet that went undetected for quite some time. Centuries ago, an Earth criminal, guilty of the most egregious offenses, was banished there in lieu of execution. Nemesis was quarantined and left alone, unchecked for many decades, eventually becoming a forbidden planet. However, a massive outpouring of negative energy from Nemesis recently caught scientists' attention. They wanted to renew study of the lost world. They never got the chance. The Black Moon hijacked the planet.
The Black Moon, bloodthirsty anarchists who rejected long life and refused to live peaceably in society.
Treason, terrorism, and mass murder were the least of their crimes. Once they seized the planet of darkness, the group left Earth and established a new base of operations there. Then they began a full scale assault. I fear their plan is to overthrow us, steal the Legendary Silver Crystal, and try to lay claim to this world as well.
 
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#51
I am pretty sure an avatar of Chaos can be born as a human.
Wiseman was possibly a regular human at ine time who either became possessed or was so powerful he manifested Death Phantom.

What is confusing is that Wiseman was confirmed to be both the entity in present day or the past who manipulated Galaxia and also a man in Crystal Tokyo's past who was corrupted.
It isn't necessarily contradictory, but with the limited info we're given he seems to be.

It's also possible that Death Phantom just possessed more than one being as Wiseman, time traveled on his own separate from the BMC or is a regular form Chaos takes.
 

Sapphire231

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#52
Wiseman could have traveled back in time before then, depending on whether this moment was before or after the events of Season 2 (since the two points in time seem specifically linked and synchronized). Or it was Chaos projecting in a similar form to Wiseman, one of its previous incarnations.

And I guess it is true if Ganondorf can be born to the Gerudo while being an incarnation of Demise's hatred, and an evil dream demon can die and be reborn to a Titan...

Also of note, Wiseman being from the future and Chaos was temporarily destroyed until, long after Wiseman's death, reincarnating as Sailor Chaos, when did Chaos create Wiseman? Did it reincarnate by the 30th century already and send one more incarnation to threaten the universe? Or did it create Nemesis in the present day, as its incarnation? Could it be that Nemesis was the incarnation of Chaos, and by merging with Nemesis, Wiseman became that incarnation? (Of course he was already pure evil and very powerful even when he was human, maybe he received his powers from Chaos sent into the future from the present day equivalent to the centuries ago from the 30th century?)
 

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#53
Wiseman’s true identity is Death Phantom; he uses the name Wiseman as a false name, possibly to deceive and manipulate those around him. He also manipulated Galaxia by guiding her to Chaos; and Chaos tricked Galaxia and used her to his advantage.

Death Phantom was born human and as a fragment of Chaos. He was a criminal and attacked the Earth sometime after NQS ascended the throne. NQS expelled him from the Earth and sent him to Nemesis, the planet. Once there, Death Phantom merged his soul with Nemesis.

 
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Alternatively, Wiseman became a part of Chaos once his soul merged with Nemesis.
I like to think that he was human, was drawn to Chaos, and merged with it when he became Nemesis, because when Chaos and Usagi talk about the incarnations they show him in his final Death Phantom form, not him as the human Phantom. It's still left ambiguous and I like it like that.

It's also possible that Death Phantom just possessed more than one being as Wiseman, time traveled on his own separate from the BMC or is a regular form Chaos takes.
Since Wiseman was Death Phantom's human body I don't think he can posses other beings to create more Wisemen, but he could have travelled to meet with Galaxia using the Back Crystal, according to Endymion it can warp space-time.
 
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#55
I like to think that he was human, was drawn to Chaos, and merged with it when he became Nemesis, because when Chaos and Usagi talk about the incarnations they show him in his final Death Phantom form, not him as the human Phantom. It's still left ambiguous and I like it like that.
We never see him as human.

Maybe the corpse under his cloak is not even his own. :unsure:
 

Sapphire231

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#56
We never see him as human.

Maybe the corpse under his cloak is not even his own. :unsure:
An image of his human face is shown on a screen. That is all though, and of course they'd show the final form he takes when they fight him. For Nehelenia it showed her aged into Zirconia as she was dying, rather than her main form.

Presumably the corpse is his own, it was what was left behind when he became Nemesis.
 
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We never see him as human.
The manga had his human silhouette in Act 22 but Crystal did show him like Sapphire says.



An image of his human face is shown on a screen. That is all though, and of course they'd show the final form he takes when they fight him. For Nehelenia it showed her aged into Zirconia as she was dying, rather than her main form.

Presumably the corpse is his own, it was what was left behind when he became Nemesis.
We also see more of the human Phantom in flashbacks when he's destroying the city and attacking Neo Queen Serenity. For Nehelenia, I'd say Zirconia was actually her main form, that was the twist of her story at the end.

From what Death Phantom says in Act 24 and how Wiseman's body looks like in Crystal, it seems the body is meant to be his human form.
 
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#60
Wiseman’s true identity is Death Phantom; he uses the name Wiseman as a false name, possibly to deceive and manipulate those around him. He also manipulated Galaxia by guiding her to Chaos; and Chaos tricked Galaxia and used her to his advantage.

Death Phantom was born human and as a fragment of Chaos. He was a criminal and attacked the Earth sometime after NQS ascended the throne. NQS expelled him from the Earth and sent him to Nemesis, the planet. Once there, Death Phantom merged his soul with Nemesis.

He helped Chaos to create a new timeline with Galaxia as Sailor Moon's enemy after he is defeated by Sailor Moon.