Why were some changes to the 90s anime made?

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I feel like they should have not done monster of the week, to me that is the anime’s biggest weakness.
Yes, that "monster of the week" formula gets repetitive after a while. By the fourth season, it got really stale.
 
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Yes, that "monster of the week" formula gets repetitive after a while.
At least they changed the main villain every season. Shows like Inuyasha had them chasing Naraku the entire anime. Besides, some of the most popular, well-known or widespread anime tend to be repetitive. It might not be enjoyable to all, but it still became successful to allow reboots and sequels (for Inuyasha) to commence.

I wonder if they wrote 90’s Sailor Moon as a tokusatsu just without it being live-action. It has the Monster of the week formula that many tokusatsus have. It could have inspired them to do PGSM with the way it was set up.
 

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Filler, the 90s is full of fillers, yes it even has more filler than original Naruto Anime (200 eps with almost 100 fillers).
Crystal is generally Toei betrays Takeuchi. Again, blame Toei not Takeuchi.
Sometimes I wonder what people mean by 'filler'. Filler usually contributes nothing to the show, it isn't the case of Sailor Moon. For example, episode 11... is it filler? Rei questions Luna about the princess like in the manga. We see Rei's transition as a senshi, something necessary for the character and consequently for the plot. Also showing her interactions with Usagi would lead them to experience a strong friendship, essential in the last battle (Plot).

Episode 62. Is it filler the way Chibiusa interacts with Ami? Or the rest of the girls? In the manga the girls cry and feel sad about Chibiusa once they've been rescued by Sailor Moon... It's not believable because they didn't socialise with her in the whole Black Moon arc.

Toei hasn't betrayed Naoko with Crystal because Toei didn't need Crystal to make money.
 
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Yes, that "monster of the week" formula gets repetitive after a while.
It really does in any show. Sailor Moon is no different ,and the whole them relying on sailor moon nearly every episode , the monsters who are created based on who they are targeting is also so stupid.

What helps makes Sailor Moon the anime after episode 100 are the main five, their characters are awesome and make the show. Also love Uranus and Neptune. They have not fleshed Pluto out quite yet, still hard to take a full opinion on her. I am nearly to Saturn. I think best one shot character they have added was the monk. Also they are using Jupiter more around the 100 mark. To me one of the best characters when spotlighted. I have other things I have liked and do like but don’t want to make this post to long. Loo

Filler, the 90s is full of fillers, yes it even has more filler than original Naruto Anime (200 eps with almost 100 fillers).
Crystal is generally Toei betrays Takeuchi. Again, blame Toei not Takeuchi.
Oh yes a lot of fillers are getting bad at this point. There is still a lot enjoy, and the fillers earlier were a lot better than they are around 100 or so. The characters of the main cast are keeping me hooked, the death busters started off great but are getting really stale really fast. I really liked Kaolinite at first to, and but after got stale to she became awesome again on the Tokyo tower fight. I have said sailor moon knows how to close and do big fights.

Toei has not treated NT the best and I agree that Toei is to blame with any issues sailor moon has. NT is not perfect but Toei has more to do with it.

Though like someone pointed out in one thread NT had some issues with it but was fine with most of it. Still wish she got bette than what she got to. I think the sailor moon universe has so many more stories and potential that I think has been wasted by Toei. So many characters to do things with.
 
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Generally toxic power scalers. The "Goku vs Superman" has been going for ages.
Goku vs. Superman | Know Your Meme
Yeah it makes sense. It is a natural comparison.
This makes Sailor Moon even like Seinen mixed with Josei introducing power scaling honestly. It's posted on a magazine for young girls doesn't really mean it for young girls, for example some Manga doesn't feel like for young boys like Death Note AOT Chainsaw Man is posted in a magazine for young boys.
I agree it is more like Seinen to me well at least the manga. While the anime feels targeted towards young girls, it harder to buy with the manga due to the dark nature of stars. Though at the very least it feels more like it is aimed at 13 and up. That being said in Japan they put much more death and dark stuff in kids shows than we do here in America. There is no doubt all three do not seem aimed at young boys. Lol

She is already strong in arc1, she's basically FTL, can destroy area of spaces, transmute, sealing people, even crying can break a dimension. Base Manga SM is like SSJ3 because she's basically Solar Buster in base form. Manga Death Phantom is like Majin Buu cuz he's nuking solar system, using haxes.Eternal form is like an SSG or maybe UI not SSJ. So it clears even base form can beat most of Shonen verses like Naruto, Bleach
Oh so can destroy space in arc one that is impressive and get through to other dimensions. So she is also ss3 from the start.

death Phantom does seem more like majin buu because he just wants destroy everything, though thinks unlike later majin buu. No doubt she probably would best Naruto or the bleach people.
 

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The problem with monster of the week.Why its understandable due to the fact .They did not have much material work with.The formula gets pretty tedious after a while.Insteading making episodes to expand plot points.It was hey let's look at this random person
At least in Stars for the anime, they went with the victim becoming the MOD to keep it fresh similar to the second half of Season 1 (even if they also become repetitive in a way).
 
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I thought the MOW formula was awesome. So many cool/creative designs but then it got really bad in SuperS and Stars too.

The only real repetitive thing to me was Sailor Moon having to kill every last one of then. Yes, I understand it is her show but still....

Some of SuperS and Stars were so bad that the monster wouldn't really do much at all and then they had to remind Sailor Moon to use her final attack.

They should have done it like PGSM when it came to MOW. It was much better, allowed all the senshinthe ability to destroy the monsters when it was time, and usually had team up episodes that weren't the typical pairings.
 

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I thought the MOW formula was awesome. So many cool/creative designs but then it got really bad in SuperS and Stars too.

The only real repetitive thing to me was Sailor Moon having to kill every last one of then. Yes, I understand it is her show but still....

Some of SuperS and Stars were so bad that the monster wouldn't really do much at all and then they had to remind Sailor Moon to use her final attack.

They should have done it like PGSM when it came to MOW. It was much better, allowed all the senshinthe ability to destroy the monsters when it was time, and usually had team up episodes that weren't the typical pairings.
Dude I agree the whole having to tell sailor moon to do her attack when she should know to use it without being told to by the time S comes around. I always also wonder why the bad guy just does not move, it is like that scene in Austin Powers where the guy is getting run over and just stands there screaming. Lol
 

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Their drama were likes a revival of Naru/Nephrite's tragedy...
Exactly, the 90’s anime 4 main BMC members were basically expies of the Shittenou in their roles and even personalities. (In the case of Rubeus and Esmeraude at least)

Rubeus = Jadeite with a bit of Nephrite mixed in
Esmeraude = Zoisite
Saphir = Nephrite with a bit of Zoisite
Demande = Kunzite


Seeing as sapphire and demande are adults and cannot make kids then it a lot better. Also yes the worst part of it is making kids and two guys cannot do that. Still not going to ever do incest in any story I do ever. I am glad it went nowhere in the manga
I accidentally got cut off there but I was also going to say that it’s never made clear whether Demande and Saphir are blood related to begin with anyways, so that’s also what makes it a more palatable ship.


If I could I would zero doubt replaced the chibiusa crush of her dad with a classmate of usagi’s having a crush on her mom or something, something controversial but not as bad. Hell chibiusa jealous of naru with umino would have been better or a crush on motoki.
Usagi still being jealous after she found out Chibi-Usa was her and Mamoru’s daughter was also pretty creepy, not gonna lie. (Though at least she gets over it in the manga and the subject is actually tackled seriously there)


If they just wanted to appeal to children, Sailor Moon would've had another schedule, Sunday mornings for instance.
This is interesting new info I just learned, if that were the case why Bandai constantly breathing down both Naoko and Toei’s necks with their insistence of turning it mainly into a marketable tool for toys? Look at all those Japanese Sailor Moon commercials aired in the 90’s and the age of the little girls featured in it… That’s pretty much the exact same demographic Precure was aimed at.

Even Naoko and Toei have both gone on record admitting they got complaints from angry parents over Classic’s finale and that it made their kindergarten aged kids cry, prompting the toning down of all future finales and never daring to make any other season finale ever that brutal again.

Or are you perhaps suggesting that rather than being just aimed at the preschool audience 90’s Sailor Moon was more akin to a family show in the same way Disney and Pixar movies are perceived?


- The language Naoko used in the manga couldn't be applied to an animated adaptation if they wanted to attract a wider audience. In Japan men avoid shoujo, in particular in the 90s
Interesting considering the Sailor Moon manga is probably the most shonenesque shojo I’ve ever come across. Some could even argue it’s even more Shonen like than the 90’s anime since the manga tends more toward hard-core power scaling.


There will be more reasons I'm leaving out...
Why leave them out? I’m interested in hearing about these other reasons.

“ brutal society problems or psychology” is not required to be seinen.
On the contrary, a lot of Seinen and Josei is simple fetish material, see also Usagi Drop and every male gazey Moe/lolicon series ever.


I wonder how popular Sailor Moon would be today if it 3nded at episode 46?
It would still be considered a classic, but not the worldwide legendary jauggernaught and mainstream Shojo equivalent to DBZ it’s
I think that Takahashi inspired Sailor Moon past story and the crystals for Yugi's past story and the millennium Items in Duel Monsters (Both looks similar, Both Usagi and Yugi used to be a ruler of a kingdom and both have millennium items (millennium crystals; 7 millennium items in yugioh) and even when transformed I feel Sailor Moon is a millennium spirit sleeping in a brooch instead of an ordinary transformation shiet like precure
Come to think of it, I never thought about this before but you’re right! Yugioh basically follows the same template of Sailor Moon what with a long lost ancient civilization, reincarnation and the protagonist being a ruler of said ancient civilization and having a whole nother being living inside them.

Series like Wedding Peach, Tokyo Mew Mew, Madoka and Fruits Basket also all feel like they’re taking direct influence from Sailor Moon.

In Wedding Peach’s case the main villain is basically an expy of Beryl and the manga deals with the issue of two warring worlds and the protagonist being the daughter of the ruler of one these realms. (Heck, some previous SM Toei staff members even worked on the anime and snuck in a little Ami cameo in one of the episodes)

Tokyo Mew Mew Mint and Ichigo’s dynamic in the anime resembles that of 90’s anime Rei and Usagi, plus Zakuro acts a lot like the Outers and Kisshu is basically an outright expy of 90’s anime Demande.

Madoka I think it’s all obvious by now that it takes at least some influence from the manga Stars. Homura is a combination of both Galaxia and Hotaru combined and her relationship with Madoka resembles that of the Chibi-Usa/Hotaru dynamic, they even look similiar based to the respective characters they’re based off of.

Even Fruits Basket while it doesn’t look like it has many similarities on the surface due to it not being a Mahou Shojo, still has something akin to a destined “Miracle Romance” (but a dark, deconstruction version of it) and recycles the rather creepy plot-point of a mother getting jealous of her and her husband’s own biological daughter taken straight out of Sailor Moon with the whole Black Lady plotline.


It might not be enjoyable to all, but it still became successful to allow reboots and sequels (for Inuyasha) to commence.
Don’t even mention Yashahime, it’s about as much of a disaster as early Crystal was. :P


Sometimes I wonder what people mean by 'filler'. Filler usually contributes nothing to the show, it isn't the case of Sailor Moon. For example, episode 11... is it filler? Rei questions Luna about the princess like in the manga. We see Rei's transition as a senshi, something necessary for the character and consequently for the plot. Also showing her interactions with Usagi would lead them to experience a strong friendship, essential in the last battle
Some fillers truly were pointless though, such as Artemis’s Animal Kingdom episode and the infamously deleted R Beach Dinasour episode which was so bad and contributed so little that even Toei felt the need to erase it from canon.


I agree it is more like Seinen to me well at least the manga. While the anime feels targeted towards young girls, it harder to buy with the manga due to the dark nature of stars. Though at the very least it feels more like it is aimed at 13 and up.
In Japan the manga is actually aimed at a significantly older audience than the anime, the 8-13 demographic as opposed to the 90’s anime preschool one. So not quite 13 and up tier, but almost reaching that.

Manga is also generally allowed to get away with much more graphicness due to the fact that it’s not publicly broadcast, this is why Crystal was so censored despite being initially targeted at adult women who grew up with Sailor Moon.



The problem with monster of the week.Why its understandable due to the fact .They did not have much material work with.The formula gets pretty tedious after a while.Insteading making episodes to expand plot points.It was hey let's look at this random person
Also they should’ve used that extra space to actually develop and delve deep into the Inners background like side stories such as Casablanca Memories did.

If even the manga could do it on it’s limited time watch, why couldn’t the 90’s anime in all it’s 200 episode run? (Though to be fair some characters did objectively get shafted in the manga background wise such as Haruka and Michiru)
 
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If they just wanted to appeal to children, Sailor Moon would've had another schedule, Sunday mornings for instance.

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Pokemon aired in Japan on Tuesdays and then Thursdays at 7P.M. Kid shows only air in the weekend mornings is not an actual rule or even a thing. Toei might have created some fan service for older men watching but Sailor Moon’s tv target audience was young girls.
 

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Sometimes I wonder what people mean by 'filler'. Filler usually contributes nothing to the show, it isn't the case of Sailor Moon. For example, episode 11... is it filler? Rei questions Luna about the princess like in the manga. We see Rei's transition as a senshi, something necessary for the character and consequently for the plot. Also showing her interactions with Usagi would lead them to experience a strong friendship, essential in the last battle (Plot).

Episode 62. Is it filler the way Chibiusa interacts with Ami? Or the rest of the girls? In the manga the girls cry and feel sad about Chibiusa once they've been rescued by Sailor Moon... It's not believable because they didn't socialise with her in the whole Black Moon arc.

Toei hasn't betrayed Naoko with Crystal because Toei didn't need Crystal to make money.
Some episodes are clearly filler - what comes to mind immediately is episode 9 - my least favorite episode ever. Also like the first half of SuperS is pure filer, most Mimete episodes are filler...
 

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Exactly, the 90’s anime 4 main BMC members were basically expies of the Shittenou in their roles and even personalities. (In the case of Rubeus and Esmeraude at least)

Rubeus = Jadeite with a bit of Nephrite mixed in
Esmeraude = Zoisite
Saphir = Nephrite with a bit of Zoisite
Demande = Kunzite



I accidentally got cut off there but I was also going to say that it’s never made clear whether Demande and Saphir are blood related to begin with anyways, so that’s also what makes it a more palatable ship.



Usagi still being jealous after she found out Chibi-Usa was her and Mamoru’s daughter was also pretty creepy, not gonna lie. (Though at least she gets over it in the manga and the subject is actually tackled seriously there)



This is interesting new info I just learned, if that were the case why Bandai constantly breathing down both Naoko and Toei’s neck with their insistence of turning it mainly into a marketable tool for toys? Look at all those Japanese Sailor Moon commercials aired in the 90’s and the age of the little girls featured in it… That’s pretty much the exact same demographic Precure was aimed at.

Even Naoko and Toei have both gone on record admitting they got complaints from angry parents over Classic’s finale and that it made their kindergarten aged kids cry, prompting the toning down of all future finales and never daring to make any other season finale ever that brutal again.

Or are you perhaps suggesting that rather than being just aimed at the preschool audience 90’s Sailor Moon was more akin to a family show in the same way Disney and Pixar movies are perceived?



Interesting considering the Sailor Moon manga is probably the most shonenesque shojo I’ve ever come across. Some could even argue it’s even more Shonen like than the 90’s anime since the manga tends more toward hard-core power scaling.



Why leave them out? I’m interested in hearing about these other reasons.


On the contrary, a lot of Seinen and Josei is simple fetish material, see also Usagi Drop and every male gazey Moe/lolicon series ever.



It would still be considered a classic, but not the worldwide legendary jauggernaught and mainstream Shojo equivalent to DBZ it’s

Come to think of it, I never thought about this before but you’re right! Yugioh basically follows the same template of Sailor Moon what with a long lost ancient civilization, reincarnation and the protagonist being a ruler of said ancient civilization and having a whole nother being living inside them.

Series like Wedding Peach, Tokyo Mew Mew, Madoka and Fruits Basket also all feel like they’re taking direct influence from Sailor Moon.

In Wedding Peach’s case the main villain is basically an expy of Beryl and the manga deals with the issue of two warring worlds and the protagonist being the daughter of the ruler of one these realms. (Heck, some previous SM Toei staff members even worked on the anime and snuck in a little Ami cameo in one of the episodes)

Tokyo Mew Mew Mint and Ichigo’s dynamic in the anime resembles that of 90’s anime Rei and Usagi, plus Zakuro acts a lot like the Outers and Kisshi is basically an outright expy of 90’s anime Demande.

Madoka I think it’s all obvious now that it takes at least some influence from the manga Stars. Homura is a combination of both Galaxia and Hotaru combined and her relationship with Madoka resembles that of the Chibi-Usa/Hotaru dynamic, they even look similiar based to the respective characters they’re based off of.

Even Fruits Basket while it doesn’t look like it has many similarities on the surface due to it not being a Mahou Shojo, still has something akin to a destined “Miracle Romance” (but a dark, deconstruction version of it) and recycles the rather creepy plot-point of a mother getting jealous of her and her husband’s own biological daughter taken straight out of Sailor Moon with the whole Black Lady plotline!



Don’t even mention Yashahime, it’s about as much of a disaster as early Crystal was. :P



Some fillers truly were pointless though, such as Artemis’s Animal Kingdom episode and the infamously deleted R Beach Dinasour episode which was so bad and contributed so little that even Toei felt the need to erase it from canon.



In Japan the manga is actually aimed at a significantly older audience than the anime, the 8-13 demographic as opposed to the 90’s anime preschool one. So not quite 13 and up tier, but almost reaching that.

Manga is also generally allowed to get away with much more graphicness due to the fact that it’s not publicly broadcast, this is why Crystal was so censored despite being initially targeted at adult women who grew up with Sailor Moon.




Also they should’ve used that extra space to actually develop and delve deep into the Inners background like side stories such as Casablanca Memories did.

If even the manga could do it on it’s limited time watch, why couldn’t the 90’s anime in all it’s 200 episode run? (Though to be fair some characters did objectively get shafted in the manga background wise such as Haruka and Michiru)
Oh well if that is the case and demande and Sapphire are not blood related it makes the ship a actually a really good one. The only thing holding it back was being related.

On the topic of Chibiusa having a crush on her dad, I am glad they addressed in the manga in a pretty serious fashion. Sounds like NT knew to stop it, and get it taken care of and makes Usagi grow up quite a bit.

The anime kept having her get jealous of chibiusa and kept them fighting. It is very creepy and when chIbiusa starts hiting on mamarou her first time back and usagi getting jealous just adds on. Honestly I would never start it in the first place, the fighting is fine, just leave the incest out.

That is the reason I love mars and usagi, the fighting is great. No creepy crap.

On the topic of the manga that does make sense that it is the case. Something where the other main characters die like they did even if they come back to life and the main character gets ptsd, starts mentally breaking down would not be for ages younger than 8. Also implied sex with mamarou and usagi to.

Not shocked in Japan though it so lower than 13, in Japan they seem to expect kids younger kids there to watch stuff that is more mature. You mentioned the finale of the classic making parents angry, wait till they get a load the final arc of the manga. Lfamo

America is different, 10 is likely the age most would allow to read the manga maybe 13.

Honestly though I really cannot tell what is fetish material in anime or not, speaking of that. Lol
 
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Lol random similarities always happens in Anime. I mean similar doesn't really mean inspired (For example you'll know how pissed some toxic DBZ fans if someone says Goku is inspired by Superman cuz both having quite same origin story, but some people says Goku is inspired by Supes cuz Toriyama created Superman in Dr Slump (dont know is it really true or not). Oh yes SM has some similar with something in DC in Manga especially sent to earth after original planet was destroyed like Supes (but it's more like a past story not like current story), manga she even wearing blue skirt red boots can talk to hologram mother like jor-el and even wear a cape (sorry I also don't know much about DC but that's I got in the Internet))
Goku only became like Superman when we had DBZ.
 
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Umm I heard the series is pretty popular with good reviews.
Good reviews and popularity don’t automatically make a series good, if that were the case Twilight would be considered the highest form of literature and we all know that’s not true.

Yashahime is bad because it’s an OOC fanfic akin to something like Dragonball GT that destroys the integrity of the original in order to make Sunrise director Sumisawa’s pedo, grooming crackship Sessrin canon.


Oh well if that is the case and demande and Sapphire are not blood related it makes the ship a actually a really good one. The only thing holding it back was being related.
It’s better than Demande/Usagi at least, Saphir actually consents for one! :P But again even if they were blood related it’s not such a big deal in their case since they can’t have kids.


On the topic of Chibiusa having a crush on her dad, I am glad they addressed in the manga in a pretty serious fashion. Sounds like NT knew to stop it, and get it taken care of and makes Usagi grow up quite a bit.

The anime kept having her get jealous of chibiusa and kept them fighting. It is very creepy and when chIbiusa starts hiting on mamarou her first time back and usagi getting jealous just adds on. Honestly I would never start it in the first place, the fighting is fine, just leave the incest out.

That is the reason I love mars and usagi, the fighting is great. No creepy crap.
Like I said the normalization of incest is an unfortunately really common topic in anime, you get used to it real fast. Sailor Moon isn’t the only offender in this area, the aforementioned Fruits Basket has a mother getting so jealous and threatened over her husband being attracted to his biological daughter that she forces her to be raised as a boy, and this is the source of almost the entire plot rather than being just a subplot like it is in Sailor Moon!

I think it’s a cultural thing, Japan apparently has some incestuous traditions dating back centuries from what I’ve heard, or they like to get out all that weird [BLEEP] in the media like pedo and incest fetishization as a sort of outlet because it’s such a straight-laced society and they’re very repressed in daily life.
 
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