Why were some changes to the 90s anime made?

[B sizzle]

I also hate how it was more played for laughs in the 90’s anime and treated as “humor,” like I’m sorry but no, there is nothing humorous about someone’s 5-10 year old kid from the future hitting on their 18+ dad, stop this is not how you do comedy, Rumiko knows how to do better humor than you Toei and Naoko!



Nope it’s the opposite, Demande/Saphir is a 90’s anime and Myu exclusive ship akin to the likes of KunZoi, Saphir low-key hates Demande in the Manga and is little more than a psycho monster of the day tier villain there.

It’s Petz/Saphir that was one-sided and the reason for her love for men, I’m honestly surprised you didn’t pick up on the hints what with that scene in episode 83 where Saphir admits he understands how Esmeraude feels and feels the same jealousy and hatred towards Sailor Moon like she does.

Plus there was this scene right here:

Naturally both of these scenes were cut from the old DIC dub on account of being too gay lmao



Ranma/Akane is one of my fave hetero ships of all time and is what kickstarted my love for tsundere couples lol. Yeah now that you mention it 90’s Grandpa Hino acts alot like Happosai, I wonder if he was inspired by him? Either him or Master Roshi.

(Though honestly the fact that she’s willing to depict a dirty old pervert preying on minors as “comedy” is pretty problematic, so even Rumiko isn’t free of issues herself, I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to the times, 90’s Japan wasn’t the most politically correct environment)





No, it’s not apart of wider Hungarian culture, just Hungarian Jewish culture which they themselves are part of the greater Ashkenazi Jewish ethnicity scattered throughout Central and Eastern Europe.

I have to agree, there is nothing funny about a daughter wanting her dad. To me it is something that the senshi, mamarou, and usagi should have sat her down about. I do agree RT knew not to not do that type of humor, she knew what she was doing in that aspect. If I were NT I would not have touched it but she knew when to stop. The cartoon, nah. Lol

Oh Demande and Sapphire was hinted at in the anime? Well I saw the scenes but I thought it was more brother love than anything. So the anime kind of made two homo ships, that I commend for. Though kunzite and zoisite was full blown. I guess I thought when sapphire said he was jealous of sailor moon I thought it was attention of his brother more than romance, I guess I did not read in between the lines. Lol He sounds like the rest of the black moon clan, Sapphire is Straight scum so was Koan who murdered a child and that child did not come back.

When Sapphire turned on Demande it did seem like he cares about petz a bit but it did seem more one sided till then. His death scene was awesome. I am appreciating the black moon clan more and more, the much hyped death busters other than Kaolinite’s debut and her first final battle, ( just got done with episode 109 about to watch 110 and they already spoiled Neptune and Uranus death, so maybe it picks up here, I bet they have two of the talisman’s), Eudeil other than her cool weapon she had in 109 is a bust. The doctor was cool at first but when he put on the Kimono and was having tea just because his target was a tea master he jumped the shark big time. I do like Neptune and Uranus quite a bit and thought they would be a bust, quite the opposite.

I love Ranma and Akane, it is my favorite types of romance where they fight but do love each other. Ranma himself is great, and I cannot help but love Akane. She is awesome and Ranma is great.

Yeah Grandpa Hino really seems to me like toned down happosai. Of course he does not steal underwear so he is not as bad, but he is still the pervey old man going after girls way younger than him. Lol I like them both. Of course I love master Rossi being a big dragonball fan and he was really perverted in db and dbz. However he was awesome and jacked in dragonball and they have done well with him in dragonball super, the tournament arc was great and I need to watch it. Super made him awesome again, Master Roshi is underrated badass.

Oh it is Hungarian Jewish culture, well I did not know that. Jewish people I have never known to have incest issues but then again I have not many Jewish people. Lol

 

[Tsundereshipper]

Nakayoshi did not give a damn about pedophilia inneudos especially when CLAMP changed CCS to adapt to Nakayoshi they kept Rika's relationship with her teacher.

Well clearly they do now considering both Rika and Terada as characters have been outright deleted in Clear Card.

Yes, exactly. I'd add there's also a cultural trait; getting toys isn't only a thing of kids in Japan. There are grown-ups having great toy collections. But, yes, my point is the 90's was a familiar show for children, parents and grandparents.

Interesting… Does this also apply to the manga with it being considered more of a “family manga?” Likely not as the manga feels like it’s targeting a much more niche audience, and considering it’s higher age rating, it’s more aimed at the tween/preteen to early teen girl crowd compared to the 90’s anime G-rated family friendly atmosphere.

Not quite. It's true that the manga's got a shonen tone due to the scale of the battles or the science fiction genre (BM & Stars), the apocalyptic one (Mugen) and the soap opera one (Stars). But it's the way Naoko dealt with those genres what might've repelled the male readers in Japan, who are always looking for more elaborate battles. They love to see the desire for self-improvement of the main characters and the emphasis on their friendship. To them the SM manga would've been a little snack or not good enough, although back then including such stories in a magazine for little girls was revolutionary.

I would say the Sailor V manga feels even more shonenesque (before those last few final chapters) since it’s basically just a pure comedy series that rarely takes itself seriously, it’s tone and more super-hero like style also makes it feel like a spiritual successor to Cutey Honey.

As for the Amazon Trio arc, yes, the pace is terrible. But is it all filler? I think it's debatable. We've got 22 episodes, too many in my opinion, but some of those were necessary to know the modus operandi and the Trio personalities to feel their death later in episode 149.

Disagree heavily, it wasn’t just the pace of the Amazon Trio arc that was awful but a lot of those filler episodes were pretty pointless superfluous fluff that failed to meaningfully develop the Trio. Fish-Eye was the only one out of the 3 that got any significant development and they were the one with the least amount of spotlight episodes.

Meanwhile despite them hogging the majority of the screentime we get no sense of any kind of internal conflict or epiphany moment going on with either Tigers Eye or Hawks Eye, even up to the very end with what’s supposed to be their redemption arc! The Trio worked well as a group due to their great friend chemistry and them being comedic relief served to help humanize them and make them relatable, but as far as how they worked as actual individual characters who can stand alone? They were awash, with only Fish-Eye standing out as being individually memorable with a fairly complex character arc and good personal development.

This is with the Trio being the subvillain group to get the most amount of episodes dedicated to them. How in all those whopping 22 episodes of filler they couldn’t bother to meaningfully develop the other two of the Trio that they were able to do with both Nephrite and Saphir in only 10? Or for a better analogy we can look to either the Ayakashi Sisters or the Quartet if you want a more specific redeemed villain group, and we can see it took less episodes for both groups to get relatively satisfactory individualized development to make them worthy for redemption that neither Tigers- Eye or Hawks-Eye could get in 22. And these two groups were not only dealing with less episodes but also each had 4 members compared to the Trio’s 3! (Okay to be fair to Hawk’s-Eye, he might’ve have proved his worth due to “the power of friendship/nakama” compelling him to sacrifice his life for Fish, but we never got that same kind of internal questioning or epiphany/realization moment that characterized all the other redeemed villains arcs, and Tigers-Eye got exactly zilch and truly was only along for the ride)

This is what people mean when they say the filler of SuperS wasn’t the best. It wasn’t just because it was slower than molasses, but it also wasn’t utilized to it’s fullest potential. Filler is not inherently bad, I’m of the opinion that giving more opportunities for your characters to shine is always a good thing, but it has to be done in the right way and much of the 90’s anime filler, especially SuperS’s wasn’t.

Also it wasn’t just the uneven development of the Trio, another egregious error of the SuperS filler was it’s inconsistent characterization and outright flanderization of our main cast, particularly Usagi. One episode she’ll be acting like the most emotionally mature woman ever who has completely gotten over her jealousy and insecurity issues concerning Mamoru… And then the next she’s ripping into him for simply sharing an umbrella with an old lady. So, yeah…

Card Captor Sakura beats Sailor Moon in that aspect.

No, Sailor Moon is much more shonenesque-friendly than CCS - CCS they barely battle at all, sealing the cards is akin to solving a riddle or a puzzle, there’s also no villains or really anyone out there who is actually evil and trying to do harm.

CCS is actually more in the vein of a traditional Mahou Shojo, (the cute witch type) the way the genre looked before Sailor Moon revolutionized it by making it more of a super-hero battle Sentai.

were NT I would not have touched it but she knew when to stop. The cartoon, nah. Lol

Exactly yeah like even with Fruits Basket’s mangaka, while it’s good she actually took the subject seriously, showed the mom in the wrong and as a villainous psycho, and never featured any actual incest between the father and daughter - the fact that she even went there at all and implied the subject matter was creepy. Like why couldn’t she make the mother jealous of her daughter over a non-related guy she was really in love with or something? Or maybe the father was actually her step-father and not her bio father and that’s why she felt so threatened? Also like why did this jealousy have to exist since the daughter was a baby? Couldn’t they have had it manifest when she was at least a teenager to also get rid of the creepy pedo implications? (That would’ve required keeping the father alive longer but I digress)

Like with Sailor Moon, there were a lot of alternative directions she could’ve gone in, why choose the most creepy possible option involving incest and pedophilia?

Oh Demande and Sapphire was hinted at in the anime? Well I saw the scenes but I thought it was more brother love than anything. So the anime kind of made two homo ships, that I commend for. Though kunzite and zoisite was full blown. I guess I thought when sapphire said he was jealous of sailor moon I thought it was attention of his brother more than romance, I guess I did not read in between the lines

Well why would he get jealous over his brother if he wasn’t romantically interested in him? Plus he literally said he felt the same way as Esmeraude does and we all know Esmeraude was crushing on Demande lol.

Plus there’s even more hints in officially released Toei supplemental material. In one of the profile books Saphir’s profile description says “Thinks about Demande above all else, didn’t love anyone else besides his brother. Petz was in love with him but he could only see his brother.”

Then in one of the Drama CDs that never got released here Petz outright calls Saphir a “brocon” saying “I’ll never fall in love with a man who’s a brocon ever again!”

Also Demande/Saphir and KunZoi weren’t the only gay male ships the 90’s anime did, there was also Fiore/Mamoru and Fish-Eye/Mamoru, albeit more one sided but neither of these 4 ships exist in the Manga. While the manga has a lot of yuri shipping, Naoko seems to have an aversion to gay men for some reason.

Lol He sounds like the rest of the black moon clan, Sapphire is Straight scum so was Koan who murdered a child and that child did not come back.

Yep, the Black Moon Clan in the manga are a literal death cult while in the 90’s anime they’re just oppressed freedom fighters who were manipulated by Wiseman and are heavily implied to have been victims of racism by Crystal Tokyo’s government.

The doctor was cool at first but when he put on the Kimono and was having tea just because his target was a tea master he jumped the shark big time.

Finish S and I’m sure your opinion will change, Professor Tomoe is one of the best villains in the entire anime, hilarious and nicest boss too.

 

[ChibiNehellenia]

rather seen a kiss between Demande/Usagi than any between Black Lady and Mamoru, no I don’t care if it was just an “illusion” in the 90’s anime, don’t show that [BLEEP] to 5 year olds, wtf is wrong with you Japan?!

In the DIC dub they cut the kiss scene out.

Dragonball GT that destroys the integrity of the original

Dragonball GT had it's problems but it was nowhere near that bad.

Which just makes her behavior towards Mamoru come off as even more creepy in the 90’s anime because she truly is a child in all ways in that version.

It's not unheard of little kids that don't better for this to get a crush on their parent but it usually does not last long.

 

[Tsundereshipper]

In the DIC dub they cut the kiss scene out.

And that was one of the only few censorship moments DIC/Optimum was actually right about! They should’ve spent more time editing out the creepy Mamoru/Chibi-Usa scenes and less time “straightening out” all the queer characters.

 

[FloraKiraraHime]

And then the next she’s ripping into him for simply sharing an umbrella with an old lady. So, yeah…

Oh, shoot! What the actual heck?! Usagi tearing into her boyfriend just for helping an elderly woman. An old lady? Yikes! Just what were the writers thinking?!

 

[kasumigenx]

Well clearly they do now considering both Rika and Terada as characters have been outright deleted in Clear Card.

Rika and Terada are the most controversial pairing in CCS back then...

Exactly yeah like even with Fruits Basket’s mangaka, while it’s good she actually took the subject seriously, showed the mom in the wrong and as a villainous psycho, and never featured any actual incest between the father and daughter - the fact that she even went there at all and implied the subject matter was creepy. Like why couldn’t she make the mother jealous of her daughter over a non-related guy she was really in love with or something? Or maybe the father was actually her step-father and not her bio father and that’s why she felt so threatened? Also like why did this jealousy have to exist since the daughter was a baby? Couldn’t they have had it manifest when she was at least a teenager to also get rid of the creepy pedo implications? (That would’ve required keeping the father alive longer but I digress)

There is also the jealous Biomom of Mayu in Elfen Lied.

 

[Tsundereshipper]

There is also the jealous Biomom of Mayu in Elfen Lied.

Haven’t seen Elfen Lied yet so I wouldn’t know, tell me is she also jealous over her daughter’s actual biological father like Ren is or is this a step-father figure?

 

[kasumigenx]

Haven’t seen Elfen Lied yet so I wouldn’t know, tell me is she also jealous over her daughter’s actual biological father like Ren is or is this a step-father figure?

Mayu's mom is jealous of the stepfather figure instead.

 

[Tsundereshipper]

Mayu's mom is jealous of the stepfather figure instead.

Well that’s already better and makes more sense than literal, actual incest at least lol.

 

[unknowncheater01]

Card Captor Sakura beats Sailor Moon in that aspect.

Anime CCS is quite more superior than SM (The filler of CCS is great)
But Manga CCS is inferior to SM (The manga of CCS only include 19 cards while Anime is 52 thanks to the great filler) (SM manga has more sale than CCS manga : List of best-selling manga - Wikipedia SM is 35m copies while CCS has only 17m copies Cardcaptor Sakura - Wikipedia (at Reception) and It's truly superior cuz dark sci-fi plot like Proto-madoka, Shonen Power Scaling, also Clear Card is trash.)

CCS is a Shojo Manga, SM is a Shojo manga but it feels more like Seinen instead.

 

[kasumigenx]

Anime CCS is quite more superior than SM (The filler of CCS is great)
But Manga CCS is inferior to SM (The manga of CCS only include 19 cards while Anime is 52 thanks to the great filler) (SM manga has more sale than CCS manga : List of best-selling manga - Wikipedia SM is 35m copies while CCS has only 17m copies Cardcaptor Sakura - Wikipedia (at Reception) and It's truly superior cuz dark sci-fi plot like Proto-madoka, Shonen Power Scaling, also Clear Card is trash.)

Card Captor Sakura is the mother of Moeblob and I avoid CCS, I prefer CLAMP's other works like MKR, Clover and X.

 

[unknowncheater01]

Card Captor Sakura is the mother of Moeblob and I avoid CCS, I prefer CLAMP's other works like MKR, Clover and X.

And yes most of 90s-style MGs are moeblobs. Yes Rayearth has some intresting stuffs and it's so underrated and it makes me feel like Eva.

 

[unknowncheater01]

Card Captor Sakura is the mother of Moeblob and I avoid CCS, I prefer CLAMP's other works like MKR, Clover and X.

And actually SM is more well-credited than CCS. I barely see a CCS reference in other Anime but SM I see more (And actually SM has most reference to other Anime, even PMMM still has SM reference)

 

[kasumigenx]

And actually SM is more well-credited than CCS. I barely see a CCS reference in other Anime but SM I see more (And actually SM has most reference to other Anime, even PMMM still has SM reference)

The CCS reference is more in the character designs.

 

[unknowncheater01]

And those people are wrong. Shonen just refers to young boys i.e the demographic. Detective Conan, Prince of Tennis, and Food Wars are all shonen for example.

Yes it is. But I think that's due to the "Shonen Action" term.

 

[kasumigenx]

And yes most of 90s-style MGs are moeblobs.

CCS is a trope codifier of the Moe artstyle.

Plus Madoka is Usagi in Sakura Kinomoto's body.

 

[unknowncheater01]

CCS is a trope codifier of the Moe artstyle.

Plus Madoka is Usagi in Sakura Kinomoto's body.

Magical Girl Fan Problems (tumblr.com) Is this Tumblr typical low-iq quote or smth? I barely see CCS breaking troops it just a lame thing

 

[imaginationgirl]

Mayu's mom is jealous of the stepfather figure instead.

Elfen lied is an adult horror anime.That shows wickedness of humanity.That was Mayu a abuse shown in a negative life . Which made her escape and live with the main character. Anime and Manga and fiction are not Safe spaces.

 

[kasumigenx]

shows wickedness of humanity.

That is what other manga of Takaya aside from Fruits Basket does.

 

[Lady Pen]

I would say the Sailor V manga feels even more shonenesque (before those last few final chapters) since it’s basically just a pure comedy series that rarely takes itself seriously, it’s tone and more super-hero like style also makes it feel like a spiritual successor to Cutey Honey.

I see Sailor V as a parody of Sailor Moon. I think about Sailor V as that safe place Naoko loved to be at, out of the stressful world Sailor Moon used to be.