Why were some changes to the 90s anime made?

[B sizzle]

Well clearly they do now considering both Rika and Terada as characters have been outright deleted in Clear Card.


Interesting… Does this also apply to the manga with it being considered more of a “family manga?” Likely not as the manga feels like it’s targeting a much more niche audience, and considering it’s higher age rating, it’s more aimed at the tween/preteen to early teen girl crowd compared to the 90’s anime G-rated family friendly atmosphere. I like your idea of being jealous over a non related guy or something.


I would say the Sailor V manga feels even more shonenesque (before those last few final chapters) since it’s basically just a pure comedy series that rarely takes itself seriously, it’s tone and more super-hero like style also makes it feel like a spiritual successor to Cutey Honey.



Disagree heavily, it wasn’t just the pace of the Amazon Trio arc that was awful but a lot of those filler episodes were pretty pointless superfluous fluff that failed to meaningfully develop the Trio. Fish-Eye was the only one out of the 3 that got any significant development and they were the one with the least amount of spotlight episodes.

Meanwhile despite them hogging the majority of the screentime we get no sense of any kind of internal conflict or epiphany moment going on with either Tigers Eye or Hawks Eye, even up to the very end with what’s supposed to be their redemption arc! The Trio worked well as a group due to their great friend chemistry and them being comedic relief served to help humanize them and make them relatable, but as far as how they worked as actual individual characters who can stand alone? They were awash, with only Fish-Eye standing out as being individually memorable with a fairly complex character arc and good personal development.

This is with the Trio being the subvillain group to get the most amount of episodes dedicated to them. How in all those whopping 22 episodes of filler they couldn’t bother to meaningfully develop the other two of the Trio that they were able to do with both Nephrite and Saphir in only 10? Or for a better analogy we can look to either the Ayakashi Sisters or the Quartet if you want a more specific redeemed villain group, and we can see it took less episodes for both groups to get relatively satisfactory individualized development to make them worthy for redemption that neither Tigers- Eye or Hawks-Eye could get in 22. And these two groups were not only dealing with less episodes but also each had 4 members compared to the Trio’s 3! (Okay to be fair to Hawk’s-Eye, he might’ve have proved his worth due to “the power of friendship/nakama” compelling him to sacrifice his life for Fish, but we never got that same kind of internal questioning or epiphany/realization moment that characterized all the other redeemed villains arcs, and Tigers-Eye got exactly zilch and truly was only along for the ride)

This is what people mean when they say the filler of SuperS wasn’t the best. It wasn’t just because it was slower than molasses, but also wasn’t used utilized to it’s fullest potential. Filler is not inherently bad, I’m of the opinion that giving more opportunities for your characters to shine is always a good thing, but it has to be done in the right way and much of the 90’s anime filler, especially SuperS’s wasn’t.

Also it wasn’t just the uneven development of the Trio, another egregious error of the SuperS filler was it’s inconsistent characterization and outright flanderization of our main cast, particularly Usagi. One episode she’ll be acting like the most emotionally mature woman ever who has completely gotten over her jealousy and insecurity issues concerning Mamoru… And then the next she’s ripping into him for simply sharing an umbrella with an old lady. So, yeah…



No, Sailor Moon is much more shonenesque-friendly than CCS - CCS they barely battle at all, sealing the cards is akin to solving a riddle or a puzzle, there’s also no villains or really anyone out there who is actually evil and trying to do harm.

CCS is actually more in vein of a traditional Mahou Shojo, the way the genre looked before Sailor Moon revolutionized it by making it more of a super-hero battle Sentai.



Exactly yeah like even with Fruits Basket’s mangaka, while it’s good she actually took the subject seriously, showed the mom in the wrong and as a villainous psycho, and never featured any actual incest between the father and daughter - the fact that she even went there at all and implied the subject matter was creepy. Like why couldn’t she make the mother jealous of her daughter over a non-related guy she was really in love with or something? Or maybe the father was actually her step-father and not her bio father and that’s why she felt so threatened? Also like why did this jealousy have to exist since the daughter was a baby? Couldn’t they have had it manifest when she was at least a teenager to also get rid of the creepy pedo implications? (That would’ve required keeping the father alive longer but I digress)

Like with Sailor Moon, they were a lot of alternative directions she could’ve gone in, why choose the most creepy possible option involving incest and pedophilia?



Well why would he get jealous over his brother if he wasn’t romantically interested in him? Plus he literally said he felt the same way as Esmeraude does and we all know Esmeraude was crushing on Demande lol.

Plus there’s even more hints in officially released Toei supplemental material. In one of the profile books Saphir’s profile description says “Thinks about Demande above all else, didn’t love anyone else besides his brother. Petz was in love with him but he could only see his brother.”
Then in one of the Drama CDs that never got released here Petz outright calls Saphir a “brocon” saying “I’ll never fall in love with a man who’s a brocon ever again!”

Also Demande/Saphir and KunZoi weren’t the only gay male ships the 90’s anime did, there was also Fiore/Mamoru and Fish-Eye/Mamoru, albeit more one sided but neither of these 4 ships exist in the Manga. While the manga has a lot of yuri shipping, Naoko seems to have an aversion to gay men for some reason.



Yep, the Black Moon Clan in the manga are a literal death cult while in the 90’s anime they’re just oppressed freedom fighters who were manipulated by Wiseman and are heavily implied to have been victims of racism by Crystal Tokyo’s government.



Finish S and I’m sure you’re opinion will change, Professor Tomoe is one of the best villains in the entire anime, hilarious and nicest boss too.

Yeah it sounds fruits basket knew to make it bad and not good. However I agree they should have never touched it, even of it is just the mother being jealous. Same with NT because it opens up a can of worms like with the sailor moon anime. I think like you said they should waited until she was at a teenager if they were going to do it.

Sailor moon I think the same, they should have never done it.

Yeah I should have realized he was crushing on his brother quite a bit when he said that. Oh yeah Esumarde was crushing on him good, I mean she had a huge crush on him, I should have seen i there. I guess I have been so against relation love even adopted for so long I subconsciously refused to see it.

I did not Toei had a materials collection. I knew about about the manga material collection with nako’s notes. It is interesting I did not know about what he said in the material collection, that is interesting. I did not know Petz called him that. So she had no shot, I feel bad for her but love the tragic romance, nephrite/naru and Petz/Sapphire are probably some my favorite tragic romances, the ones where at one party stays dead.

Now love the one sided Fiore/mamarou and the r movie, it was great, I love it. I liked Fiore a lot. I know a lot of people hate on super s but fisheye I have heard a lot about and mamarou/fisheye sounds awesome as well. I am going to watch the whole thing, sailor moon is to addicting, even when it has issues. Lol

I like the black moon clan a lot better as freedom fighters like in the anime than just a death cult. They have better characters and are more fleshed out, though I hear manga rubeous is better. Also did not mind them keeping the specter sisters around, plus Petz seeing Sapphire die at the end was gold, still and a lot of tragedy within the clan.

You know I think they are going to get better, in episode 109 and 110 it improves greatly and Eudial get a lot better. That I agree with the good doctor is funny as hell, I think once I finish s I will like him a lot better and get over the kimno tea scene. Hey he may be evil but if he is good boss I will forgive his transgressions. Lol I did like the phone breaking scene. Lol Sailor moon is great at closings, the first three arcs closing episodes are fantastic. Opposite issue yu yu hakusho has. Lfamo

 

[Lady Pen]

Disagree heavily, it wasn’t just the pace of the Amazon Trio arc that was awful but a lot of those filler episodes were pretty pointless superfluous fluff that failed to meaningfully develop the Trio. Fish-Eye was the only one out of the 3 that got any significant development and they were the one with the least amount of spotlight episodes.

Meanwhile despite them hogging the majority of the screentime we get no sense of any kind of internal conflict or epiphany moment going on with either Tigers Eye or Hawks Eye, even up to the very end with what’s supposed to be their redemption arc! The Trio worked well as a group due to their great friend chemistry and them being comedic relief served to help humanize them and make them relatable, but as far as how they worked as actual individual characters who can stand alone? They were awash, with only Fish-Eye standing out as being individually memorable with a fairly complex character arc and good personal development.

This is with the Trio being the subvillain group to get the most amount of episodes dedicated to them. How in all those whopping 22 episodes of filler they couldn’t bother to meaningfully develop the other two of the Trio that they were able to do with both Nephrite and Saphir in only 10? Or for a better analogy we can look to either the Ayakashi Sisters or the Quartet if you want a more specific redeemed villain group, and we can see it took less episodes for both groups to get relatively satisfactory individualized development to make them worthy for redemption that neither Tigers- Eye or Hawks-Eye could get in 22. And these two groups were not only dealing with less episodes but also each had 4 members compared to the Trio’s 3! (Okay to be fair to Hawk’s-Eye, he might’ve have proved his worth due to “the power of friendship/nakama” compelling him to sacrifice his life for Fish, but we never got that same kind of internal questioning or epiphany/realization moment that characterized all the other redeemed villains arcs, and Tigers-Eye got exactly zilch and truly was only along for the ride)

This is what people mean when they say the filler of SuperS wasn’t the best. It wasn’t just because it was slower than molasses, but it also wasn’t utilized to it’s fullest potential. Filler is not inherently bad, I’m of the opinion that giving more opportunities for your characters to shine is always a good thing, but it has to be done in the right way and much of the 90’s anime filler, especially SuperS’s wasn’t.

Also it wasn’t just the uneven development of the Trio, another egregious error of the SuperS filler was it’s inconsistent characterization and outright flanderization of our main cast, particularly Usagi. One episode she’ll be acting like the most emotionally mature woman ever who has completely gotten over her jealousy and insecurity issues concerning Mamoru… And then the next she’s ripping into him for simply sharing an umbrella with an old lady. So, yeah…

Disagree...LOL this discussion would go on endlessly....

I admit that Hawks Eye is...is there......and had a noble action at the end...

I didn't say that out of those 22 episodes just a few couldn't be considered pure filler. As I said they're too many episodes in this arc, Tigers Eye being the villain in most of them. But I do think, aside from their characterisations being on point, some episodes were important to know the real nature of the Trio. Thanks to the episodes 137 and/or 141, the viewer will notice these characters aren't humans; Fisheye fears cats, Hawks Eye can barely see in the dark. On top of that, many of their actions are delimited by their animal instincts. They're actually wild beasts.
Fisheye is not the only one who's got a development. It's Tiger Eye the first one in getting his first glimpse of the humans ins and outs before Fisheye had his The Little Mermaid story. This happens in the episode 144, Tiger Eye being a mammal is the suitable one of the Trio in grasping the emotional connections between humans, we will see nuances of it in episode 147 as well.
However, it's in episode 145 where Fisheye will spot what a human could really be without quite getting something yet abstract for him. Giselle is pure love and the Wilis are hatred and revenge, otherworldly beings whose natural force Fisheye fits quite well in, Yamagishi (the victim) even saw that. But he needed someone with the human touch to dig into the profoundness of everyone's entrails to charm their hearts, something Fisheye couldn't have. For one obvious reason (Fisheye was the most popular of the Trio in the polls) he was the focus of the Trio's redemption, without omitting what had happened to him in the episode 145, in 148 he witnessed Mamoru's human qualities not only through his actions but also through his eyes. The rest is history.

So, I don't think almost all the 22 episodes of the Trio arc are filler. I do reckon it could've been handled differently, indeed... but I don't know why Westeners don't like to sit down and think about what they've just watched/read. They are like "I don't care about this character, that scene, that passage, give me plot! Finish the story!"....... No wonder why many TV/Streaming series and films today are rubbish...

 

[Seira Hazuki]

Filler is fine if it’s used well. PGSM is a wonderful example of this. You almost can’t cut a single episode of the 50 without losing something.

It’s also true that with any ‘90s Sailor Moon season, even if the episode seems inconsequential, there might be some character development or hint of the larger story arc. But there’s also swathes of episodes that feel lazy and lean too hard into padding the story without disrupting the status quo or giving any meaningful insight to any of its characters.

Or another way to look at it, it took 22 episodes to develop three villains just to barely pull of a redemption story and then have them vanish from the plot as if nothing transpired actually mattered… Maybe that’s why people feel like a lot of that season could have been chopped? People thinking SuperS is a bloated season with little going for it in terms of plot advancement is hardly the reason why media today is “rubbish.”

 

[imaginationgirl]

Filler is fine if it’s used well. PGSM is a wonderful example of this. You almost can’t cut a single episode of the 50 without losing something.

It’s also true that with any ‘90s Sailor Moon season, even if the episode seems inconsequential, there might be some character development or hint of the larger story arc. But there’s also swathes of episodes that feel lazy and lean too hard into padding the story without disrupting the status quo or giving any meaningful insight to any of its characters.

Or another way to look at it, it took 22 episodes to develop three villains just to barely pull of a redemption story and then have them vanish from the plot as if nothing transpired actually mattered… Maybe that’s why people feel like a lot of that season could have been chopped? People thinking SuperS is a bloated season with little going for it in terms of plot advancement is hardly the reason why media today is “rubbish.”

It also does not help if some the development could be redone in single episode.If you want to be honest you could make the trios arc in 12 episodes with not changing much.

 

[Tsundereshipper]

Anime CCS is quite more superior than SM (The filler of CCS is great)
But Manga CCS is inferior to SM (The manga of CCS only include 19 cards while Anime is 52 thanks to the great filler) (SM manga has more sale than CCS manga : List of best-selling manga - Wikipedia SM is 35m copies while CCS has only 17m copies Cardcaptor Sakura - Wikipedia (at Reception) and It's truly superior cuz dark sci-fi plot like Proto-madoka, Shonen Power Scaling, also Clear Card is trash.)

CCS is a Shojo Manga, SM is a Shojo manga but it feels more like Seinen instead.

Anime CCS is longer and has Meiling but Manga CCS’s plot is superior in that it actually makes sense by revealing that Sakura and Toya are technically the children of Clow Reed, (or rather one of his reincarnations) and that’s why they have the powers they do and why the Clow Book was stuck in their library.

This seems to be a running theme with long running anime that are adapted from a manga and diverge heavily, there’s often more content to help flesh the characters and relationships out, but the plots are often inferior and they lose the actual point/meaning for the series in favor of it running more like an episodic, serialized cartoon. (See also Tokyo Mew Mew, Wedding Peach, Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne and Saint Tail)

Magical Girl Fan Problems (tumblr.com) Is this Tumblr typical low-iq quote or smth? I barely see CCS breaking troops it just a lame thing

Something doesn’t have to break tropes in order to be worthwhile, CCS in either of it’s versions might not do anything particularly unique or groundbreaking (It’s essentially just Anime Sabrina The Teenaged Witch) but it’s written and executed so damn well and with that typical CLAMP finesse that it’s rightfully earned it’s spot as one of the classics of the genre.

In fact I would go as far to say that despite not being as interesting lore or plot wise, both it’s two versions are inherently, objectively better written than either the Sailor Moon 90’s anime or the manga. (At least if we don’t take Clear Card or Tsubasa into account and just look at the series as a stand-alone, released as is)

There’s less plot holes, characters are characterized in a realistic and humanizing way that don’t resort to overly cartoonish exaggerated caricatures, the way it tackles it’s difficult subject matters are extremely mature and poignant (Well excepting the subject matter of pedophilia, but that’s just CLAMP being CLAMP) etc, etc.

Put it this way, in CCS we have Yukito, the resident older boy father figure who Sakura’s heavily crushing on, gently but firmly let her down once he learns of her rather inappropriate feelings for him. If this were Sailor Moon he’d be pulling a Mamoru and acting naive and clueless around her all while she’s openly thirsting after him while not bothering to establish proper boundaries or put his foot down with her, all for some lame attempt at creating over the top “humor” that barely anyone finds funny or endearing, just creepy and cringy.

Elfen lied is an adult horror anime.That shows wickedness of humanity.That was Mayu a abuse shown in a negative life . Which made her escape and live with the main character. Anime and Manga and fiction are not Safe spaces.

And that’s fine, I’m just saying that if they wanted a similiar plot with a mother being jealous of and directly competing with her own daughter, Fruits Basket should’ve followed Elfen Lied’s example and had it be over a non-blood related stepfather figure, NOT her actual biological father!

Elfen Lied is thus inherently less creepy and more realistic/makes more sense as a result. Just ditch the incest aspect all together unless you’re prepared to properly address and criticize it like in Utena or risk alienating most of your audience, (have you read Fruits Basket? Because if so you know what I’m talking about.) Tackling inherently triggering subjects in fiction like incestuous grooming isn’t necessarily bad, the problem is when the fiction either normalizes it or outright romanticizes it rather than calling it out because most people, understandably enough, get grossed out at even the suggestion of incest, especially parent/child.

Even in the Sailor Moon Manga/Crystal most readers are able to tolerate and handle all the gruesome horror [BLEEP] or non-con Demande/Usagi scenes just fine, but once they get up to the Black Lady/Mamoru kissing scenes a majority of comments on YouTube express their disgust and think that’s a line that just shouldn’t be crossed and rightfully so!

Yeah I should have realized he was crushing on his brother quite a bit when he said that. Oh yeah Esumarde was crushing on him good, I mean she had a huge crush on him, I should have seen i there. I guess I have been so against relation love even adopted for so long I subconsciously refused to see it.

I did not Toei had a materials collection. I knew about about the manga material collection with nako’s notes. It is interesting I did not know about what he said in the material collection, that is interesting. I did not know Petz called him that. So she had no shot, I feel bad for her but love the tragic romance, nephrite/naru and Petz/Sapphire are probably some my favorite tragic romances, the ones where at one party stays dead.

If you wanna see more information/evidence of this ship I suggest you read through this thread to get a clearer picture, suffice to say, Ikuhara was heavily shipping them all along lol.

What were Saphir's true feelings for Demand?

I know I probably sound like a hypocrite having just gone on a whole diatribe condemning incest in fiction while now openly gushing about an incestuous (coded) ship, but again there are a few major differences here.

1. Demande/Saphir are same sex incest, so already don’t contain that squicky inbreeding aspect that makes incest inherently immoral/unethical to begin with.

2. It’s never confirmed if they’re actual blood related or not, unlike Mamoru and Fruits Basket girl’s father who are canonically shown to be their daughters biological fathers, no questions asked.

3. And perhaps most importantly, it’s incest between adult siblings close in age and of equal status. Incest between peers is a whole nother ballgame compared to parent/child incest, the former contains little to no power dynamic issues while it’s the rare case in the latter where there’s not some kind of power dynamic or grooming involved. Chibi-Usa and Fruits Basket girl being kids when all these parental incestuous implications are taking place is just the cherry on top of the creeperific and incredibly disgusting sundae! (The normalization of father/daughter incest in particular also contributes to our culture of misogyny and the infantilization of women but I digress)

though I hear manga rubeous is better

Yes he is, he’s actually one of the few villains along with Beryl and Galaxia that’s actually better in the manga than the 90’s anime. Why Toei changed him and made him into a Jadeite 2.0. I’ll never know, it’s like they took Rubeus and Saphir’s roles in the manga and basically swapped them around in the 90’s anime.

Tiger Eye being a mammal is the suitable one of the Trio in grasping the emotional connections between humans, we will see nuances of it in episode 147 as well.

The problem is this is all we get from Tigers-Eye in the span of 22 episodes, and he still does basically f*ck all to earn his happy ending and redemption.

It’s such an insignificant, throw-away moment that is never built upon or referenced again in any meaningful way that it’s inconsequential in the end.

 

[kasumigenx]

And that’s fine, I’m just saying that if they wanted a similiar plot with a mother being jealous of and directly competing with her own daughter, Fruits Basket should’ve followed Elfen Lied’s example and had it be over a non-blood related stepfather figure, NOT her actual biological father!

Elfen Lied is thus inherently less creepy and more realistic/makes more sense as a result. Just ditch the incest aspect all together unless you’re prepared to actually address and criticize it like in Utena or risk alienating most of your audience, (have you read Fruits Basket? Because if so you know what I’m talking about. Tackling inherently triggering subjects in fiction like incestuous grooming isn’t necessarily bad, the problem is when the fiction either normalizes it or outright romanticizes it rather than calling it out because most people, understandably enough, get grossed out at even the suggestion of incest, especially parent/child.

Realistic anime/manga doesn't sell well especially prior to Eva.

 

[Tsundereshipper]

Realistic anime/manga doesn't sell well especially prior to Eva.

Is it because of otaku culture and their desire for anime/manga to remain mired in familiar tropes?

 

[kasumigenx]

Is it because of otaku culture and their desire for anime/manga to remain mired in familiar tropes?

Take Takaya for example, her other works remain a shadow of Fruits Basket and in case of Ai Yazawa, Nana remains unfinished, it would either be unpopular or hit the wrong people but there are times that it is not the case like Utena.

 

[julayla]

And that was one of the only few censorship moments DIC/Optimum was actually right about! They should’ve spent more time editing out the creepy Mamoru/Chibi-Usa scenes and less time “straightening out” all the queer characters.

True that. And at least Cloverway made the dub for the relationship for Tuxedo/Chibi Moon in S as be more like "she wants more attention than Usagi" kind of writing rather than wanting affections.

 

[B sizzle]

Anime CCS is longer and has Meiling but Manga CCS’s plot is superior in that it actually makes sense by revealing that Sakura and Toya are technically the children of Clow Reed, (or rather one of his reincarnations) and that’s why they have the powers they do and why the Clow Book was stuck in their library.

This seems to be a running theme with long running anime that are adapted from a manga and diverge heavily, there’s often more content to help flesh the characters and relationships out, but the plots are often inferior and they lose the actual point/meaning for the series in favor of it running more like an episodic, serialized cartoon. (See also Tokyo Mew Mew, Wedding Peach, Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne and Saint Tail)

Something doesn’t have to break tropes in order to be worthwhile, CCS in either of it’s versions might not do anything particularly unique or groundbreaking (It’s essentially just Anime Sabrina The Teenaged Witch) but it’s written and executed so damn well and with that typical CLAMP finesse that it’s rightfully earned it’s spot as one of the classics of the genre.

In fact I would go as far to say that despite not being as interesting lore or plot wise, both it’s two versions are inherently, objectively better written than either the Sailor Moon 90’s anime or the manga. (At least if we don’t take Clear Card or Tsubasa into account and just look at the series as a stand-alone, released as is)

There’s less plot holes, characters are characterized in a realistic and humanizing way that don’t resort to overly cartoonish exaggerated caricatures, the way it tackles it’s difficult subject matters are extremely mature and poignant (Well excepting the subject matter of pedophilia, but that’s just CLAMP being CLAMP) etc, etc.

Put it this way, in CCS we have Yukito, the resident older boy father figure who Sakura’s heavily crushing on, gently but firmly let her down once he learns of her rather inappropriate feelings for him. If this were Sailor Moon he’d be pulling a Mamoru and acting naive and clueless around her all while she’s openly thirsting after him while not bothering to establish proper boundaries or put his foot down with her, all for some lame attempt at creating over the top “humor” that barely anyone finds funny or endearing, just creepy and cringy.



And that’s fine, I’m just saying that if they wanted a similiar plot with a mother being jealous of and directly competing with her own daughter, Fruits Basket should’ve followed Elfen Lied’s example and had it be over a non-blood related stepfather figure, NOT her actual biological father!

Elfen Lied is thus inherently less creepy and more realistic/makes more sense as a result. Just ditch the incest aspect all together unless you’re prepared to properly address and criticize it like in Utena or risk alienating most of your audience, (have you read Fruits Basket? Because if so you know what I’m talking about.) Tackling inherently triggering subjects in fiction like incestuous grooming isn’t necessarily bad, the problem is when the fiction either normalizes it or outright romanticizes it rather than calling it out because most people, understandably enough, get grossed out at even the suggestion of incest, especially parent/child.

Even in the Sailor Moon Manga/Crystal most readers are able to tolerate and handle all the gruesome horror [BLEEP] or non-con Demande/Usagi scenes just fine, but once they get up to the Black Lady/Mamoru kissing scenes a majority of comments on YouTube express their disgust and think that’s a line that just shouldn’t be crossed and rightfully so!

If you wanna see more information/evidence of this ship I suggest you read through this thread to get a clearer picture, suffice to say, Ikuhara was heavily shipping them all along lol.

What were Saphir's true feelings for Demand?

I know I probably sound like a hypocrite having just gone on a whole diatribe condemning incest in fiction while now openly gushing about an incestuous (coded) ship, but again there are a few major differences here.

1. Demande/Saphir are same sex incest, so already don’t contain that squicky inbreeding aspect that makes incest inherently immoral/unethical to begin with.

2. It’s never confirmed if they’re actual blood related or not, unlike Mamoru and Fruits Basket girl’s father who are canonically shown to be their daughters biological fathers, no questions asked.

3. And perhaps most importantly, it’s incest between adult siblings close in age and of equal status. Incest between peers is a whole nother ballgame compared to parent/child incest, the former contains little to no power dynamic issues while it’s the rare case in the latter where there’s not some kind of power dynamic or grooming involved. Chibi-Usa and Fruits Basket girl being kids when all these parental incestuous implications are taking place is just the cherry on top of the creeperific and incredibly disgusting sundae! (The normalization of father/daughter incest in particular also contributes to our culture of misogyny and the infantilization of women but I digress)



Yes he is, he’s actually one of the few villains along with Beryl and Galaxia that’s actually better in the manga than the 90’s anime. Why Toei changed him and made him into a Jadeite 2.0. I’ll never know, it’s like they took Rubeus and Saphir’s roles in the manga and basically swapped them around in the 90’s anime.



The problem is this is all we get from Tigers-Eye in the span of 22 episodes, and he still does basically f*ck all to earn his happy ending and redemption.

It’s such an insignificant, throw-away moment that is never built upon or referenced again in any meaningful way that it’s inconsequential in the end.

It does look to me now the director of the sailor moon 90’s did love to ship Demande and Sapphire. Man and a ship to it. I do not know how I did not see it myself. Lol

You make a good point about homosexual incest being better than straight insect due to not being able to reproduce. That is key.

Yeah it not said outright they are blood related. That kicks incest out of play all together. Mamarou and the fruits baskets daughter and father are related, makes it have issues.

I like the point you make about the dad and daughter on fruits baskets, and mamarou and chibiusa. Those are so much worse because of the power dynamics between child and parent. It is much worse. Sapphire and demande is much better because it is two people close in age. I would much rather see someone get with their cousin or siblings than parent.

I like you point about father and daughter incest being a result of misogyny. That is the reason why you see it but not mother and son often.

I am not shocked rubeus is better in the manga. Same with beryl, she gets good towards the end sucks until then badly. Galaxia is so good in the manga, just a villain like no other. She sounds okay but really the villain kills everyone and restores them to life is just flat weird. That is a first a villain bring everyone she killed back to life. After I watch stars, It inspired me to write a fanfic about mamarou after the stars anime because from what I saw on the wiki story timeline is 7 months and mamarou was dead for that long. So my thinking is that due to that he loses his Harvard opportunity, and to make it up to him galaxia actually gets a recommendation to the university of Texas because that is the top school she could get him into. Then he becomes the quarterback for the university of Texas longhorns somehow due to his skills. Lol

Now stars manga story timeline I have no clue how long it last from the start with the killings to the resurrections. Lol

 

[Tsundereshipper]

I am not shocked rubeus is better in the manga.

Another change from the 90’s anime shipping wise, besides Demande/Saphir, Demande/Esmeraude and Saphir/Petz not being ships, Rubeus/Koan also isn’t a thing, instead Rubeus is involved with Calaveras of all people.

She sounds okay but really the villain kills everyone and restores them to life is just flat weird. That is a first a villain bring everyone she killed back to life.

Well remember, in the 90’s anime Galaxia isn’t really a villain, she’s just possessed like Tomoe is, once she gets unpossessed is when she brings everyone back to life.

It inspired me to write a fanfic about mamarou after the stars anime because from what I saw on the wiki story timeline is 7 months and mamarou was dead for that long. So my thinking is that due to that he loses his Harvard opportunity, and to make it up to him galaxia actually gets a recommendation to the university of Texas because that is the top school she could get him into. Then he becomes the quarterback for the university of Texas longhorns somehow due to his skills. Lol

Ooh do you have a link to this fic? Sounds really interesting, I’d love to read it!

 

[unknowncheater01]

Come to think of it, I never thought about this before but you’re right! Yugioh basically follows the same template of Sailor Moon what with a long lost ancient civilization, reincarnation and the protagonist being a ruler of said ancient civilization and having a whole nother being living inside them.

Yep, this make SM feels like Shonen/Seinen instead of Shojo, but they cut to make the Anime suit Young Girls, anyway SM can be fit in a Shonen/Seinen magazine as well when everything got applied. As a guy who watched all 224 episode of original Yugioh I can also confirm it’s right.

 

[kasumigenx]

Well remember, in the 90’s anime Galaxia isn’t really a villain, she’s just possessed like Tomoe is, once she gets unpossessed is when she brings everyone back to life.

When the original material where the anime was based has Galaxia as an incarnation of Chaos, I think it also is also good to see if the redeemed villain that has more screentime in the manga and anime is Sailor Cosmos rather than Galaxia, I think Naoko originally planned for Cosmos to have more screen time in the anime and manga but she changed her mind as well, I think the original material which the anime was based was not a good companion/alternative to the current anime plot that is I think why Naoko changed her mind about the manga plot.

Yep, this make SM feels like Shonen/Seinen instead of Shojo, but they cut to make the Anime suit Young Girls, anyway SM can be fit in a Shonen/Seinen magazine as well when everything got applied. As a guy who watched all 224 episode of original Yugioh I can also confirm it’s right.

The male viewers of Shojo in Japan prefer something like Card Captor Sakura, and CCS was very much widely popular in Asia like in China and Singapore wherein it was everywhere back in the 2000s that I avoided it like a plague.

Strangely, the similarities between Usagi and Sakura are only in Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles which was not in Nakayoshi, Usagi and TRC Sakura are similar in a way that everyone in the universe seems to favor and like her.

 

[unknowncheater01]

When the original material where the anime was based has Galaxia as an incarnation of Chaos, I think it also is also good to see if the redeemed villain that has more screentime in the manga and anime is Sailor Cosmos rather than Galaxia, I think Naoko originally planned for Cosmos to have more screen time in the anime and manga but she changed her mind as well, I think the original material which the anime was based was not a good companion/alternative to the current anime plot that is I think why Naoko changed her mind about the manga plot.



The male viewers of Shojo prefer something like Card Captor Sakura, and CCS was very much widely popular in Asia like in China and Singapore wherein it was everywhere back in the 2000s that I avoided it like a plague.

Strangely, the similarities between Usagi and Sakura are only in Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles which was not in Nakayoshi, Usagi and TRC Sakura are similar in a way that everyone in the universe seems to favor and like her.

SM is actually a Shonen/Seinen like Shojo TBH. And TRC is Shonen so it quite make sense to be similar. I think SM has Potential to be in a Shonen Magazine but the 90s Anime makes it Shojo instead. Still most people ignores the true color of SM and SM power stuffs due to the Anime. Crystal again nerfed characters compared to the manga and Toei trying to make it resembles to PreCure so that’s why I hate it, stock footage transmorfation to make it bad, why they don’t make SM straight-foward transformation in a blink (transformation device/crystal brights and they got immediately transformed) and use transformation sequence less so they won’t feel it like a girly show, but Precure is a true girly shiet in what they did to transform yes abused make up stuffs and hair growing.
SM’s True color even more underrated than Madoka. Yes the story has some flaws but it’s still perfect.

 

[kasumigenx]

SM is actually a Shonen/Seinen like Shojo TBH. And TRC is Shonen so it quite make sense to be similar. I think SM has Potential to be in a Shonen Magazine but the 90s Anime makes it Shojo instead. Still most people ignores the true color of SM and SM power stuffs due to the Anime. Crystal again nerfed characters compared to the manga and Toei trying to make it resembles to PreCure so that’s why I hate it, stock footage transmorfation to make it bad, why they don’t make SM straight-foward transformation in a blink (transformation device/crystal brights and they got immediately transformed) and use transformation sequence less so they won’t feel it like a girly show, but Precure is a true girly shiet in what they did to transform yes abused make up stuffs and hair growing.
SM’s True color even more underrated than Madoka. Yes the story has some flaws but it’s still perfect.

SM is more of a Seinen/Josei actually, something that should be published alongside Fruits Basket in Hana to Yume.

 

[imaginationgirl]

Another change from the 90’s anime shipping wise, besides Demande/Saphir, Demande/Esmeraude and Saphir/Petz not being ships, Rubeus/Koan also isn’t a thing, instead Rubeus is involved with Calaveras of all people.



Well remember, in the 90’s anime Galaxia isn’t really a villain, she’s just possessed like Tomoe is, once she gets unpossessed is when she brings everyone back to life.



Ooh do you have a link to this fic? Sounds really interesting, I’d love to read it!

Sapphire petz was a ship least pet had a panel that made her seem she had crush.

 

[Tsundereshipper]

Sapphire petz was a ship least pet had a panel that made her seem she had crush.

What? No it wasn’t, where? They didn’t even interact in the manga.

 

[imaginationgirl]

Yes there was

What? No it wasn’t, where? They didn’t even interact in the manga.

Sorry my mistake I was mirembering scenes.

 

[sapphire91]

Sapphire petz was a ship least pet had a panel that made her seem she had crush.

Wasn't it Rubeus and Calaveras?

 

[B sizzle]

Another change from the 90’s anime shipping wise, besides Demande/Saphir, Demande/Esmeraude and Saphir/Petz not being ships, Rubeus/Koan also isn’t a thing, instead Rubeus is involved with Calaveras of all people.



Well remember, in the 90’s anime Galaxia isn’t really a villain, she’s just possessed like Tomoe is, once she gets unpossessed is when she brings everyone back to life.



Ooh do you have a link to this fic? Sounds really interesting, I’d love to read it!

First off i missed this post till now somehow, I just noticed it. Lol I did not see it in my alerts for some reason. I even saw another post of yours and liked it, it was about the 90’s and manga and what your liked about each universe . God you hit the nail on the head with that one.However I am here now, so apologies for my tardiness.

Wow so rubeus and koan is not a thing in the anime, that is a shocker but not super shocked about it. Really the one sided crush that Koan had for rubeus and it was her development towards her becoming healed by sailor moon and becoming a good guy. Something that I hear does not happen in the manga as all of the sisters are killed by the sailor guardians. I did not know about rubeus and Calaveras of all things, he goes from being a ship in romance even though it was all the sister to another sister the manga. That is interesting the anime switched it all together for Koan one sided.

Oh yeah Galaxia was never truly a villain like she is in the manga. She was corrupted by chaos the entire time she was killing people. She brought everyone back to life once was free from chaos. It does make sense, it would be hard to make her that truly evil to that good like that. Also we get to see her nude which I seen the pics and she looks great. Lol

I do prefer her being evil and her ending in the manga, it was perfect. When everyone got brought back to life in the manga, I love the white dresses in the cauldron. Lol

I have not made the mamarou Texas longhorns fanfic yet, but better believe it is coming one day, he will be the greatest qb of all time.Lfamo When the first chapter comes out I will no doubt link it to you. Thank you so much, your awesome. Actually I have a fanfiction that I published one chapter of that is interesting, which is the manga sailor guardians return to earth post stars. I will link you that in message like right now. The first chapter is a introduction to where we are, the second is the first real chapter. Based on a fanfic I read, but different.