Would Sailor Moon be better off without Naoko?

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Was Ikuhara right? Is Sailor Moon better off without Naoko?

  • Yes

    Votes: 13 31.0%
  • No

    Votes: 29 69.0%

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Rika-Chicchi

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#81
I looked up PQ Angels at school and went "WTF?!?!?!" The concept is great and they look cute and all, but...THEY'RE COCKROACHES!!! FROM COCKROCHEA!!!! WHY NAOKO WHY?!?!?! She could've at least made them ladybugs, butterflies, or bumblebees. Or even grasshoppers or crickets, anything that benefits Mother Nature. But nooooo she just had to pick the ugliest one. Smh.
As I understand, roaches aren't so commonly seen in Japan as in some other parts of the world, so they could even be regarded as an interesting, relatively rare insect over there. lol Also, some types of roaches living on the forest ground even look cute & clean, & can be kept as pets - not sure if Takeuchi was basing those characters on them. =^_^=
 
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I'd probably consider looking at it but I cannot stand cockroaches. Live action ( The Mimic) & even anime (Terraformars). The butterfly idea would have been cute. I wonder if Sailor Moon would have went further would we have Senshi of things like Sailor Bee or a senshi who controls insects and things like that.

Not trying g to make them Prertt Cure or anything but I think it would be a little interesting for the Senshi to discover or encounter other Senshi from places (who aren't the Starlights..lol)
 
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Honestly I think it would have been better off with another animation studio that wasn’t trying to call *so* many of the shots. I definitely think Naoko’s storytelling abilities trumped the storyboard directors’ of the anime every time (and still does as shown by Crystal S1). I think Sailor Moon would have been better in many regards if there weren’t so much bad blood between Toei and Naoko in the first place but if I have to pick sides I’d pick Naoko.
 

Rika-Chicchi

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#84
I'd probably consider looking at it but I cannot stand cockroaches. Live action ( The Mimic) & even anime (Terraformars).
Those aliens in District 9 also look somewhat like (human-sized) roaches, & they're depicted as victims - interstellar refugees taking refuge on Earth but being discriminated, segregated, & oppressed by humans. They don't look particularly handsome/pretty from the human POV, tho. lol
 

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I looked up PQ Angels at school and went "WTF?!?!?!" The concept is great and they look cute and all, but...THEY'RE COCKROACHES!!! FROM COCKROCHEA!!!! WHY NAOKO WHY?!?!?! She could've at least made them ladybugs, butterflies, or bumblebees. Or even grasshoppers or crickets, anything that benefits Mother Nature. But nooooo she just had to pick the ugliest one. Smh.

The villains however, were great and I will not accept such slander. Who doesn't appreciate the Amazoness Quartet or the dynamic between a certain two Shittenou?
If it ever resurfaces, they should hire Akira Takashi to design the characters. I mean they are cockroaches and he draws humans like ones so well.
 

Rika-Chicchi

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Yes. There does come a time where the creators can hold back things that they've created and stifle the growth. Naoko has done that with Sailor Moon. It happened with Gene Roddenberry/Star Trek and its happening here.
Perhaps original creators tend to be conservative, or "over-protective," on the baby they created, & are more reluctant to take alternative views & new thinking. :)
 
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Perhaps original creators tend to be conservative, or "over-protective," on the baby they created, & are more reluctant to take alternative views & new thinking. :)
I can totally understand and respect that, but it seems that Sailor Moon was the creation of collaboration between many people and not just Naoko, even if she was the heart and soul of the story.
 

Rika-Chicchi

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I can totally understand and respect that, but it seems that Sailor Moon was the creation of collaboration between many people and not just Naoko, even if she was the heart and soul of the story.
That brings to the question of the current state of the triangular relations between Takeuchi, Kodansha, & Toei (Bandai is always looming in the background, of course, but I don't think it's an active party at present) - how they communicate, cooperate, & collaborate regarding the franchise these days? Is it smooth or dysfunctional? Are there any significant differences on how they view the franchise? Or actually no one really cares about it as long as, well, it's still there steadily generating some revenues for all? lol
 
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I can totally understand and respect that, but it seems that Sailor Moon was the creation of collaboration between many people and not just Naoko, even if she was the heart and soul of the story.
. That's not how it works.Since Naoko created the plot and character.She is consider the creator and is in charge of her creation.A lot of mangakas do have editersand assistance that do suggest things.But they are still consider the creators .
 

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. That's not how it works.Since Naoko created the plot and character.She is consider the creator and is in charge of her creation.A lot of mangakas do have editersand assistance that do suggest things.But they are still consider the creators .
Sailor Moon was always different from other anime & manga though because it was conceived from the start to be a multi-media franchise. This wasn’t the case of say a mangaka’s original manga getting popular and a studio coming to them to do an anime adaptation of it. The Sailor Moon Manga and 90’s anime were created almost simultaneously.
 
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Sailor Moon was always different from other anime & manga though because it was conceived from the start to be a multi-media franchise. This wasn’t the case of say a mangaka’s original manga getting popular and a studio coming to them to do an anime adaptation of it. The Sailor Moon Manga and 90’s anime were created almost simultaneously.
I know that but that does not matter still.Nako is still consider creator it is still her creation in more legal and technical sense.She was the one created the plot ,story and characters.It was not like Toei created the characters, plot and Story.Than asks Naoko to adapt that in a manga .Its not like hell girl manga.
What happens was we want make a salor v anime and than suggest a group.Than wala Naoko created Sailor Moon.Than than had the manga and anime plan
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I mean… they did for the 90’s anime at least. Naoko only created the designs and names for that part of the franchise.
Yes and no she is still the creator .I will say the 90s anime was mostly toei s work and I am not downing it.The 90s anime did had the basic plot still.A girl who was recarnated and became a super hero.The anime all aded a lot filler and plot points to stretch out the plot.Yeah if you want to be super technical.
The 90s anime was mostly toei and the manga was most Naoko.Naoko is still the creators and plot.
 

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Naoko is still the creators and plot.
What's your point? Naoko being the original creator? Yes she is. Japanese law protects mangakas even if they don't own 100% of their works, like Takeuchi's case.

I think you don't quite understand how japanese media mix works. Many plot points in the manga had to be approved (and created in some instances) by Osano and Kodansha executives and Takeuchi had to take orders from them, especially from Bandai when it came to designing new characters (the magic items were created by them to be used in the manga and anime) because the main goal was to sell toys & a lot of merchandise. Even the Sailor V and Sailor Moon mangas had been influenced by the 90's anime and musicals and vice versa.

Everyone was important in the creation of this franchise. Takeuchi is the author, indeed, but she is not the only one in this party. The success of Sailor Moon doesn't resides in its plot.
 

Rika-Chicchi

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(the magic items were created by them to be used in the manga and anime)
I never read that before. Sources ? I meant TOEI add for sure some items (like the Inner wands in SuperS or the Stars Items in Stars) but design all of others?!…. If it’s was the case why the design in the manga is sometimes different (colors too). I recalled Naoko writing notes about the creation of the Kaleidoscop Scepter and the Scepter of Eternal… so I’m a bit surprised by that…
 
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I mean… they did for the 90’s anime at least. Naoko only created the designs and names for that part of the franchise.
(the magic items were created by them to be used in the manga and anime
in the interviews with Osano he said this:
Interviews with Fumio Osano

As popularity accelerated, many related products came out that weren't originally planned, but the popularity was far greater than expected.
"I was impressed when she made the Moon Stick toy, which is an object that appears in the second half of the first series. Ms. Takeuchi is a person who has a strong commitment to design, so she wanted to design it herself. However, Due to the busy schedule of the manuscript, it was difficult to start designing it and in the end, if we hadn't started making the molds tomorrow, we wouldn't have been in time for the end of year sales season, so in a bar at midnight I made her draw an elaborate design on a paper napkin, Mr. Bandai's responsible person who was present took the napkin and handed it to an Osaka merchant with the first Shinkansen of the morning, and managed to get things done.

For the anime, I prepared a plot for a year, the first episode (or first series) of the animation was set based on Ms. Takeuchi's sketches, so the story and worldview are very consistent with the original . After that, in the manga, Ami-chan appears in the 2nd chapter, Rei-chan in the 3rd ... it was scheduled. A request has come from Toei Animation to have both Ami and Rei in the opening to make them girls and anime popular. Then, it was rumored that more and more beautiful girls would come out from the first episode, and the TV station and Toei Animation had no choice but to meet the expectations of the viewers, and Ami-chan appeared in episode 8 and Rei-chan. appeared in episode 10. (laughs). They were added in no time.
 
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What's your point? Naoko being the original creator? Yes she is. Japanese law protects mangakas even if they don't own 100% of their works, like Takeuchi's case.

I think you don't quite understand how japanese media mix works. Many plot points in the manga had to be approved (and created in some instances) by Osano and Kodansha executives and Takeuchi had to take orders from them, especially from Bandai when it came to designing new characters (the magic items were created by them to be used in the manga and anime) because the main goal was to sell toys & a lot of merchandise. Even the Sailor V and Sailor Moon mangas had been influenced by the 90's anime and musicals and vice versa.

Everyone was important in the creation of this franchise. Takeuchi is the author, indeed, but she is not the only one in this party. The success of Sailor Moon doesn't resides in its plot.
Okay let me break this.

Well your first point that is manga kada.Acourse you have to ran plots by the editors to be approve.I also know they suggest things.That is very common in manga.Manga is a business.I also remember Naoko was ask to change the design of the characters of the star lighta.s.

I never ever said she was the only reason sailor moon was popular.My point was she has the control because she is the creator.Basic plot and concept is her doing.
 

Lady Pen

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I never read that before. Sources ? I meant TOEI add for sure some items (like the Inner wands in SuperS or the Stars Items in Stars) but design all of others?!…. If it’s was the case why the design in the manga is sometimes different (colors too). I recalled Naoko writing notes about the creation of the Kaleidoscop Scepter and the Scepter of Eternal… so I’m a bit surprised by that…
Youichi Fukano's book. He was one of the most significant illustrators of the franchise back in the 90's. Fukano is known in the fandom as that artist who designed Sailor Moon Le Cygne and that famous illustration for the Sailor Stars musical some people believed was designed by Ikuko Ito.
In his book he explains how he was in charged of the animation designs regarding products and toys. Even he was in charged of the video games illustrations that many thought were designed by Kazuko Tadano. He testified that Bandai along with Toei were responsible for all the magic items designs like rods, brooches, wands, pens, etc that would appear in the anime and manga.

in the interviews with Osano he said this:
Interviews with Fumio Osano

As popularity accelerated, many related products came out that weren't originally planned, but the popularity was far greater than expected.
"I was impressed when she made the Moon Stick toy, which is an object that appears in the second half of the first series. Ms. Takeuchi is a person who has a strong commitment to design, so she wanted to design it herself. However, Due to the busy schedule of the manuscript, it was difficult to start designing it and in the end, if we hadn't started making the molds tomorrow, we wouldn't have been in time for the end of year sales season, so in a bar at midnight I made her draw an elaborate design on a paper napkin, Mr. Bandai's responsible person who was present took the napkin and handed it to an Osaka merchant with the first Shinkansen of the morning, and managed to get things done.
First: I've always taken Osano's statements with a pinch of salt. He's always talking about the excellence of a poor quality manga and giving much credit to Naoko for the Sailor Moon success. I call it 'Promotional interviews to try selling more volumes'.

Second: Naoko cannot draw, I can't imagine her making an elaborated prototype for Bandai in the middle of the night in a napkin....... She might have sketched a stick with a crescent moon on it in 4 doodles, and then Bandai developed the final design. Look at the Material Collection models. They are supposed to be .... good.... designs.... I can't imagine what she can do on a napkin....at midnight.....in a bar.... ^_^':rofl:
 
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